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Science says so

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/febru...rms-ta.php

Seriously, that's pretty scary stuff.
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Quote:The first evidence we have that the dangerous superstorm cycle has started is the devastating series of storms that pounded the UK during late 2010.

I wouldn't mind seeing more scientific connect-the-dots detail in his article.

The UK snow was caused by a large, unusually strong high pressure system sitting over Greenland, which - through its clockwise spin - funneled cold air down into Europe. IIRC, this is one of the results of a strong La Nina season. Some have said the high pressure system was largely fed from more open water being exposed near the Arctic.

My assumption here is that he's saying the shifting magnetic fields had a big hand in this event, though it's unclear how.

If it's all true, then it looks like the Mayans were on to something...
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If Al Gore takes a trip to Canada that could be the catalyst to start the Ice Age.

Fascinating article.

And if it comes to pass -- you yankees can keep your global warming doctrines and liberal fiscal policies and stay the hell up there.
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(02-08-2011 02:32 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  If Al Gore takes a trip to Canada that could be the catalyst to start the Ice Age.

Fascinating article.

And if it comes to pass -- you yankees can keep your global warming doctrines and liberal fiscal policies and stay the hell up there.

Gore is from Tennessee! He's no yankee.
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(02-08-2011 02:37 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(02-08-2011 02:32 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  If Al Gore takes a trip to Canada that could be the catalyst to start the Ice Age.

Fascinating article.

And if it comes to pass -- you yankees can keep your global warming doctrines and liberal fiscal policies and stay the hell up there.

Gore is from Tennessee! He's no yankee.

We could trade him for, say, a Christie.
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That link isn't working for me. What does it say?
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The article boils down to confirmation bias. People see what they want to see, with the article referencing social sciences and humanities and their liberal mind-sets.
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Now I can see the article. Some of the comments from the author result in him losing credibility. I'd rather read an article from someone who knows what they're talking about.
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Don't tell Obama about the pole shift because he'll find a way to blame it on our daily activities and put an end to them.
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I'm sure it's Obama's fault.
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Clearly.
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No, it's not Obama's fault. It's the collective fault of everyone who has been in power for the last 50 years.

What Obama is at fault for is that he's trying to force some things to happen short-term that will only serve to make the long-term worse.

We need to balance the budget, now. The Bowles-Simpson (or Simpson-Bowles) recommendations are a good start. We should enact them tomorrow and start from there. I understand that there are about 20 centrist Senators, led by Webb (D, VA) and Chambliss (R, GA) who are sponsoring legislation to do this. But that needs to be a start. I've outlined what else I'd do in detail before.
We need to make America a good place to do business again, now. To Obama's credit, he's at least starting to talk about this, but his proposed solutions have been designed by academics who don't understand real world problems, and therefore they are doomed to fail. I think that means, among other things, flatter taxes over broader tax bases (including a national consumption tax), balancing the budget, adopting a pro-business national industrial policy (as my European socialist friends say, you can't be pro-jobs without being pro-business), streamlining regulations--you know, the stuff Ross Perot was talking about 20 years ago that we keep forgetting to do.
We need a REAL health care plan, not Obamacare, now. Obamacare basically takes the worst aspects of three bad systems--ours, Canada's, and UK's. What we need to do is look at the GOOD systems (France, Germany, Holland) and emulate them.
We need to reform welfare into a broad-based safety net instead of the myriad of silo programs we have now, and that means providing services like health care to the broader population instead of the republican fascination with "means testing" (which provides jobs for bureucrats, jobs that cost more than we save).
We need to quit micro-managing the rest of the world. We can't solve our problems, and we sure can't afford to take on theirs too. You respect our citizens' life, liberty, and property, and we'll respect yours; you don't, and we'll blow you to smithereens.

Those would be starts. Unfortunately, except for the Webb-Chambliss initiative, nobody in either party seems to be talking about what we really need to get done.

I know there's lip service to cutting spending and balancing the budget. But that lip service leaves us a few hundred billion a year short of where we need to get. And to paraphrase Everitt Dirksen, a hundred billion here, a hundred bilion there, pretty soon you're talking about some real money.
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(02-09-2011 01:13 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  No, it's not Obama's fault. It's the collective fault of everyone who has been in power for the last 50 years.

What Obama is at fault for is that he's trying to force some things to happen short-term that will only serve to make the long-term worse.

We need to balance the budget, now. The Bowles-Simpson (or Simpson-Bowles) recommendations are a good start. We should enact them tomorrow and start from there. I understand that there are about 20 centrist Senators, led by Webb (D, VA) and Chambliss (R, GA) who are sponsoring legislation to do this. But that needs to be a start. I've outlined what else I'd do in detail before.
We need to make America a good place to do business again, now. To Obama's credit, he's at least starting to talk about this, but his proposed solutions have been designed by academics who don't understand real world problems, and therefore they are doomed to fail. I think that means, among other things, flatter taxes over broader tax bases (including a national consumption tax), balancing the budget, adopting a pro-business national industrial policy (as my European socialist friends say, you can't be pro-jobs without being pro-business), streamlining regulations--you know, the stuff Ross Perot was talking about 20 years ago that we keep forgetting to do.
We need a REAL health care plan, not Obamacare, now. Obamacare basically takes the worst aspects of three bad systems--ours, Canada's, and UK's. What we need to do is look at the GOOD systems (France, Germany, Holland) and emulate them.
We need to reform welfare into a broad-based safety net instead of the myriad of silo programs we have now, and that means providing services like health care to the broader population instead of the republican fascination with "means testing" (which provides jobs for bureucrats, jobs that cost more than we save).
We need to quit micro-managing the rest of the world. We can't solve our problems, and we sure can't afford to take on theirs too. You respect our citizens' life, liberty, and property, and we'll respect yours; you don't, and we'll blow you to smithereens.

Those would be starts. Unfortunately, except for the Webb-Chambliss initiative, nobody in either party seems to be talking about what we really need to get done.

I know there's lip service to cutting spending and balancing the budget. But that lip service leaves us a few hundred billion a year short of where we need to get. And to paraphrase Everitt Dirksen, a hundred billion here, a hundred bilion there, pretty soon you're talking about some real money.

I think you're in the wrong thread. 03-lmfao

Unless the politicians can now disrupt Earth's magnetic field. Maybe all the wind coming from them is shifting the field away from Earth?
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No, it's just that Obama's magnetic personality has altered the field.
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Since the current crop of elected officials is incapable of cutting any spending, the only solution is tax increases 03-wink

Those in power don't have the guts to get into the budget and cut out the waste because they are all beholden to their special interests that keep them elected. It's either that or they are too afraid to alienate their electorate by cleaning up medicare and social security.

My solution: Federally funded campaigns with no public contributions allowed over a set, very low, dollar limit with total transparency. And term limits. I would also roll back all the extra benefits our elected officials receive and just cover their basic living expenses while in office.

Without tax increases, this budget will never be balanced. Unless of course you can get the people hoarding all the money to start spending it in bunches.
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(02-09-2011 02:46 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I think you're in the wrong thread. 03-lmfao
Unless the politicians can now disrupt Earth's magnetic field. Maybe all the wind coming from them is shifting the field away from Earth?

Actually, no. The sarcastic "Obama's fault" comment got me thinking, "what is Obama's fault, and what isn't." When I started typing, I did get carried away a bit.
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(02-09-2011 03:41 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Since the current crop of elected officials is incapable of cutting any spending, the only solution is tax increases 03-wink

Those in power don't have the guts to get into the budget and cut out the waste because they are all beholden to their special interests that keep them elected. It's either that or they are too afraid to alienate their electorate by cleaning up medicare and social security.

My solution: Federally funded campaigns with no public contributions allowed over a set, very low, dollar limit with total transparency. And term limits. I would also roll back all the extra benefits our elected officials receive and just cover their basic living expenses while in office.

Without tax increases, this budget will never be balanced. Unless of course you can get the people hoarding all the money to start spending it in bunches.

Yea, neither side is good at cutting spending, but at least the Democrats are good at tax increases!

Seriously, I agree, we have to cut back on the ridiculous sums spent on campaigns. I wonder how much of it is the special interests and how much is worry about alienating the electorate. Gotta start somewhere though.
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As long as money drives the election process, it's going to be hard to elect anything other than extremists. Not impossible, but difficult.

Here's what I'd do:

1. Set a maximum limit for what you can spend. Say, $1 for every person who voted in the last election for the position. General elections based on last general election for position, primaries based on last primary. We had 132 million voters in the last presidential election. So $132 million is what presidential candidates can spend in 2012.

2. Only individuals can make political contributions. No corporations, no unions, no PAC's. They can advocate on issues, but such advocacy cannot mention any candidate or political party by name, nor refer to any specific election or election date. Contributions ave to go directly from the individual to the candidate; no PAC or other intermediary.

3. If you raise more than the $1 per vote, the excess goes into a pool to be used by candidates who have not raised the maximum. So a donation to you could end up being sent to your opponent.

I'd also be interested in some elements of a parliamentary system. When you don't know when the next election is going to be called, it's hard to plan to spend big bucks.
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Since this thread is all over the place I'd vote to eliminate lobbyists. For once, let the politicians listen to what the voters want rather than special interests.
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