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Obama vs GOP Candidates
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/48939.html

Romney: +2
Huckleberry: +0
Ron Paul: -9
Palin: -11
Everybody else: Worse
02-07-2011 12:04 PM
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Romney? Seriously? Ug.
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RE: Obama vs GOP Candidates
At this point in the 1980 cycle, Carter was ahead of Reagan.

At this point in the 1984 cycle, Mondale and Reagan were roughly tied.

Polling data is interesting, and political junkies like me are always going to want to get as much of it as we can. But polls taken 21 months out from Election Day really do not have much predictive value. Especially when it compares someone like Barack Obama, who probably has 100% name recognition from the public right now, and (say) Mitch Daniels, who probably has ~3% recognition outside of Indiana.

To the limited extent that these polls should be taken seriously at all, the fact that Obama is basically tied with people like Romney and Huckabee should be extremely concerning to his supporters. They (Huck & Mitt) are not really what I consider "strong" candidates. They are both opposed -- and even disliked -- by substantial sections of the Republican base, and a lot of people who are saying "undecided" or whatever today, would actually grit their teeth and vote for them, if it came down to one of them vs. Obama on November 6, 2012.
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Obama's second term will sink or swim on (1) where the economy goes from here, and (2) whether the republicans can find a candidate who can walk and chew gum at the same time.

I don't think he has great prospects on 1. As far as 2, I think we can count on the MSM to portray any prospective republican in the worst possible light. I still think the economy has a great chance to be so bad by the end of 2011 that the democrat kingmakers will demand (at least behind closed doors) that Obama step aside in favor of a different candidate--most likely Hillary.

Speaking of Clintons, I would say that the best thing Obama has going for him right now, by far, is that he seems to be listening to Bill. If he follows Bill around and abandons his own socialist/communist roots, he could still be an effective president. The fear is that he does that for the rest of this term, gets re-elected, and then turns back to his roots.
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I'm curious as to why you think Obama has not been an effective president.

Other than the unemployment rate being atrocious, he has passed a lot of his agenda in only two years. Stock market is up, corporate profits are at an all-time high, etc.

Just because you don't like what he has done does mean it has not had an effect.
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(02-07-2011 10:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'm curious as to why you think Obama has not been an effective president.
Other than the unemployment rate being atrocious, he has passed a lot of his agenda in only two years. Stock market is up, corporate profits are at an all-time high, etc.
Just because you don't like what he has done does mean it has not had an effect.

I think he's been effective in getting things done. I just don't think the things he's gotten done are very good. I still think he is basically a socialist/communist. That's based on reading his books, looking at his voting record in Springfield and Washington, and looking at his life before the white house. Having to go away from those leanings is difficult for him.

Corporate profits are up, but those profits are being made overseas, away from the US tax man. Dow is up because QE/QE2 have pumped massive amounts of cash into market, and because earnings reflect those overseas profits.

We are on an unsustainable debt path. Were before Obama, thanks to Shrub, and Obama has made it worse.

Obamacare will cost us trillions. Don't tell me that the CBO did an independent study that concludes otherwise. That's not what they did, and that's not actually what their reports say, if you read them in their entirety. What CBO admits freely in their reports is that they were given assumptions by congress, that they believe those assumptions are unlikely to occur, and that the more likely outcome is likely to be billions worse than the numbers quoted by those who cite the study. My own calculations -- $2 trillion worse.

I don't think unemployment is coming down any time soon. We created 32,000 jobs last month. We need 150,000 a month to hold our own with population growth, upwards of 200,000 to bring unemployment down. We're not going to get those jobs until we make the US a good place to do business. Obama is at least starting to talk the talk on this, but he has yet to walk the walk.

He could still turn out acceptably, but he's going to have to make a 180 to get there. Clinton did, and I know Bill is now advising him. Maybe some good will run off.

At least he now has to deal with the republicans for real, instead of the crap that got falsely passed off as "bipartisanship" in the first two years. I could go for some real bipartisanship. Not that the republicans have any good ideas either, just hoping they'll each keep the other away from doing the really crazy things they want to do.

We're on the wrong path. We've pretty much been on the wrong track since at least the 1960s. So far, Obama has pushed us toward wronger.
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(02-07-2011 10:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'm curious as to why you think Obama has not been an effective president.........

..........he has passed a lot of his agenda in only two years.

You just answered your own question.
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(02-07-2011 11:33 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(02-07-2011 10:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'm curious as to why you think Obama has not been an effective president.........

..........he has passed a lot of his agenda in only two years.

You just answered your own question.

Much of which will be undone because of the way it got done.
02-08-2011 12:18 AM
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Why has he been ineffective? Be he added a LOT to this:

http://www.usdebtclock.org/


We're living on borrowed time. If I borrow 500K, go on spending sprees, throw parties from my friends, take them on vacations, they'd probably say I'm doing fairly well. What'cha think? Is it real? Or a facade?
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(02-07-2011 10:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'm curious as to why you think Obama has not been an effective president.

Other than the unemployment rate being atrocious, he has passed a lot of his agenda in only two years. Stock market is up, corporate profits are at an all-time high, etc.

Just because you don't like what he has done does mean it has not had an effect.

The stock market set all time highs all through 2006 under Bush. How'd that turn out?
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