I am not huge fan of Palin but I can just imagine how everyone would be calling her out if she had misspoke like this..

What a Gdamn moron.

Sadly, that's not even the dumbest thing he said.

Without the backlash against the republican impeachment vendetta against Clinton, Chuckie probaly doesn't beat D'Amato. And the world would be a better place.

My recollection is that D'Amato was actually running ahead, then the trend turned strongly against him, fairly hard and fairly late, after he became such an outspoken proponent of the impeachment. Can't find a link to corroborate, and memory may be faulty, but that is the way I remember it.

And no, I don't think sacrificing ONE seat was worth going after the impeachment. Particularly not one that ended up in the hands of Chuckie Shumer. I wish he had been in the madam's books in addition to Spitzer. Or even instead of Spitzer. Though it was great to see Spitzer go.

(01-30-2011 07:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Without the backlash against the republican impeachment vendetta against Clinton, Chuckie probaly doesn't beat D'Amato. And the world would be a better place.

1. At the time of the election (Nov. 3rd), the impeachment hadn't happened yet, and the "conventional wisdom" was that it wouldn't happen. It happened, but about 6-7 weeks later.

2. D'Amato, a three-term incumbent, lost that race by nearly 11%. I have never heard anyone say that public disapproval of Clinton's impeachment explained -- or even could explain -- such a large margin-of-defeat for such a well-known incumbent, and I don't think it can.

3. But even if we could agree that
"Clinton Impeachment" = "Schumer Beats D'Amato" and
"No Clinton Impeachment" = "Schumer Loses to D'Amato",
I still would not withdraw my support for Clinton's impeachment, despite my preference for D'Amato over Schumer. For me, some issues are larger than mere politics, and holding a president -- *Any* president -- to account for perjury and obstruction of justice is one of them.

I don't deny that the GOP paid some political price for the Clinton-drama in 1998. I think that price has been wildly exaggerrated by Clinton's defenders, and I don't think it figured into the D'Amato/Schumer race in any significant way, but I agree there was a political price to be paid. I think that is unfortunate for the country, but so be it.

I think Owl was responding (at #4) to one of my posts that I accidentally deleted.

(01-30-2011 08:35 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  And no, I don't think sacrificing ONE seat was worth going after the impeachment. Particularly not one that ended up in the hands of Chuckie Shumer. I wish he had been in the madam's books in addition to Spitzer. Or even instead of Spitzer. Though it was great to see Spitzer go.

At one time I liked Schumer. But, I have always despised Spitzer. That's not to say that Schumer isn't capable of doing much worse in the long run, but I don't viscerally hate him like I do Spitzer.

Even I can't stand the guy, I think this was a brain fart. I'm sure he knows the 3 branches of gov.....come on guys, haven't you ever called your wife another woman's name in bed?

(01-30-2011 09:46 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Even I can't stand the guy, I think this was a brain fart. I'm sure he knows the 3 branches of gov.....come on guys, haven't you ever called your wife another woman's name in bed?

I think this was a brain fart.

The rest of the conversation, including the absurd fearmongering, is more culpable.

(01-30-2011 10:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-30-2011 09:46 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Even I can't stand the guy, I think this was a brain fart. I'm sure he knows the 3 branches of gov.....come on guys, haven't you ever called your wife another woman's name in bed?

I think this was a brain fart.

The rest of the conversation, including the absurd fearmongering, is more culpable.

No...I think HE is a brain fart.

(01-30-2011 10:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-30-2011 09:46 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Even I can't stand the guy, I think this was a brain fart. I'm sure he knows the 3 branches of gov.....come on guys, haven't you ever called your wife another woman's name in bed?

I think this was a brain fart.

No f'n way. No way in hell anyone that's studied on the US Constitution can make that mistake. Palin wouldn't have made it.

(01-30-2011 10:15 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(01-30-2011 10:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-30-2011 09:46 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Even I can't stand the guy, I think this was a brain fart. I'm sure he knows the 3 branches of gov.....come on guys, haven't you ever called your wife another woman's name in bed?

I think this was a brain fart.

No f'n way. No way in hell anyone that's studied on the US Constitution can make that mistake. Palin wouldn't have made it.

..Not now..for sure.