(01-25-2011 02:06 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 02:01 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:47 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:19 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:13 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  SunBelt teams have Improved by leaps and bounds since then....Check out 2-1 bowl record this year (Which should have been 3-0)

So has Tech.

1-1 vs. Sun Belt in men's basketball this year
1-1 vs. Sun Belt in women's basketball this year.
1-1 vs. Sun Belt in women's volleyball this year.
0-1 vs. Sun Belt in soccer this year.

Not seeing anything that knocks me out except for an inexpensive trip.

You're right, we are pretty bad. However, I was talking about football.

In the past 20 years, Tech is 26-6-1 against Sun Belt teams and the average score is 34-18.

This may be....However that was before 2001....Dont expect those same results when/IF yall come back..... I would expect you guys to be much like a MTSU.

2001 is the year we got in the WAC. We have more talent and depth now. I wouldn't expect to dominate the SBC though. I see improvement and Tech is not so good that we would have an easy way with all SBC teams. We still struggle with Utah St, New Mexico St, and Idaho. I also think that if Tech were to join the SBC, it would have a positive effect on everyone else's recruiting and the SBC improvement would continue.

(01-25-2011 02:19 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 02:06 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 02:01 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:47 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:19 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  So has Tech.

1-1 vs. Sun Belt in men's basketball this year
1-1 vs. Sun Belt in women's basketball this year.
1-1 vs. Sun Belt in women's volleyball this year.
0-1 vs. Sun Belt in soccer this year.

Not seeing anything that knocks me out except for an inexpensive trip.

You're right, we are pretty bad. However, I was talking about football.

In the past 20 years, Tech is 26-6-1 against Sun Belt teams and the average score is 34-18.

This may be....However that was before 2001....Dont expect those same results when/IF yall come back..... I would expect you guys to be much like a MTSU.

2001 is the year we got in the WAC. We have more talent and depth now. I wouldn't expect to dominate the SBC though. I see improvement and Tech is not so good that we would have an easy way with all SBC teams. We still struggle with Utah St, New Mexico St, and Idaho. I also think that if Tech were to join the SBC, it would have a positive effect on everyone else's recruiting and the SBC improvement would continue.

I would honestly expect to see LA Tech in the 4th spot in their first year in the SBC....I could easily see LA Tech contend with Troy down the road. Tech only makes since to be in the SBC. Although to have 3 teams in the same state is pushing it.

(01-25-2011 02:01 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:47 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:19 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:13 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 12:37 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  If history is any indicator, Tech would win 63% of its Sun Belt games. Whereas we only win 43% of the time against WAC and CUSA teams.

Ironically, Troy also wins 63% of its games against the Sun Belt and 43% against WAC and CUSA teams.

SunBelt teams have Improved by leaps and bounds since then....Check out 2-1 bowl record this year (Which should have been 3-0)

So has Tech.

1-1 vs. Sun Belt in men's basketball this year
1-1 vs. Sun Belt in women's basketball this year.
1-1 vs. Sun Belt in women's volleyball this year.
0-1 vs. Sun Belt in soccer this year.

Not seeing anything that knocks me out except for an inexpensive trip.

You're right, we are pretty bad. However, I was talking about football.

In the past 20 years, Tech is 26-6-1 against Sun Belt teams and the average score is 34-18.

I have to assume you're speaking in all sports since the Sunbelt Conference began play in Football only 10 years ago. Also, the last Sunbelt team you played in football was N. Tx. in 2005. In that time I can't see where there are any viable comparisons to be made in terms of football.

Now I do expect improvement this next season for La. Tech in football, because you have Tony Franklin as the OC. We at Troy benefitted mightily from his short tenure on staff, as did MTSU in 2009. I think it's fair to say though, that all the Sunbelt programs have made forward progress since Tech's last encounter with a Sunbelt football team. Some more than others. I can't see where Tech has managed to show forward strides in it's program. To that end, to say that Tech would be more than middle of the pack in the Sunbelt the past two or three years would be.....

well......

being a homer for La. Tech. Which is the thing to do, but still...

it's not a realistic evaluation when comparing Tech to the Sunbelt programs. And frankly, this next season, even though I expect Tech to be better than it has the last couple years, I expect the Sunbelt to be much improved overall too.

(01-25-2011 02:09 PM)johnnylightnin Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 02:06 PM)BlueRaiderFan. Wrote:  I don't like most Tech fans but my likes don't carry any weight with anyone...except maybe my wife...maybe.

hogwash...you don't know most Tech fans.

Do you think I meant Tech fans I've interacted with via message boards maybe?

(01-25-2011 02:19 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 02:06 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 02:01 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:47 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:19 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  So has Tech.

1-1 vs. Sun Belt in men's basketball this year
1-1 vs. Sun Belt in women's basketball this year.
1-1 vs. Sun Belt in women's volleyball this year.
0-1 vs. Sun Belt in soccer this year.

Not seeing anything that knocks me out except for an inexpensive trip.

You're right, we are pretty bad. However, I was talking about football.

In the past 20 years, Tech is 26-6-1 against Sun Belt teams and the average score is 34-18.

This may be....However that was before 2001....Dont expect those same results when/IF yall come back..... I would expect you guys to be much like a MTSU.

2001 is the year we got in the WAC. We have more talent and depth now. I wouldn't expect to dominate the SBC though. I see improvement and Tech is not so good that we would have an easy way with all SBC teams. We still struggle with Utah St, New Mexico St, and Idaho. I also think that if Tech were to join the SBC, it would have a positive effect on everyone else's recruiting and the SBC improvement would continue.

But you are saying all of that like the addition of Tech alone would bolster the perception of the SBC when that is not the case nor true...If Tech had so much value then it wouldn't repeated get passed over by CUSA everytime a spot opens there. Besides, what the SBC needs to do is add markets. That is what the networks want, viewers for their programing. As was pointed out when Tech played NIU in the Independence Bowl, the decision came down to attracting viewers. That is why ESPN purportedly went with NIU and the northern Illinois/Chicago market. Such is the case with conference expansion. The SBC sits in a prime place to add westernly and move into the Mountain time zone while also moving into a large metro market - this would be with the additions of NMSU and UTSA. The addition of those two would the SBC to present weekday evening games to the networks, as we can play games to fill the 8 pm to 10 pm CST (9 pm to 11 pm EST, 7 pm to 9pm MST and 6 pm to 8 pm PST) programing void during the week. That is pretty huge...Moreover, with the addition of the San Antonio market we can present more homes as potential viewers for increased monetary payout...

(01-25-2011 02:31 PM)BlueRaiderFan. Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 02:09 PM)johnnylightnin Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 02:06 PM)BlueRaiderFan. Wrote:  I don't like most Tech fans but my likes don't carry any weight with anyone...except maybe my wife...maybe.

hogwash...you don't know most Tech fans.

Do you think I meant Tech fans I've interacted with via message boards maybe?

Can't read what you mean...only what you write.

What percentage of Tech fans do you figure the one's you've interacted with make up? I'm guessing it's a pretty small percentage. That would lead one to consider that perhaps it's not a valid measuring stick for the fan base as a whole...maybe

(01-25-2011 02:29 PM)Troy87 Wrote:  To that end, to say that Tech would be more than middle of the pack in the Sunbelt the past two or three years would be.....

well......

being a homer for La. Tech. Which is the thing to do, but still...

It looks like we would have been 2nd or 3rd in the past 3 years... from an unbiased standpoint:

2008:
Troy - 70
La Tech - 87
FAU - 102

2009:
MTSU - 63
Troy - 69
Tech - 89
ULM - 109

2010:
Troy - 80
FAU - 88
Tech - 91
stAte - 117

In the past 20 years, Tech is 26-6-1 against Sun Belt teams and the average score is 34-18.
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20 years???? Odd...Sun Belt has been playing football for only ten years.

(01-25-2011 02:54 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 02:29 PM)Troy87 Wrote:  To that end, to say that Tech would be more than middle of the pack in the Sunbelt the past two or three years would be.....

well......

being a homer for La. Tech. Which is the thing to do, but still...

It looks like we would have been 2nd or 3rd in the past 3 years... from an unbiased standpoint:

2008:
Troy - 70
La Tech - 87
FAU - 102

2009:
MTSU - 63
Troy - 69
Tech - 89
ULM - 109

2010:
Troy - 80
FAU - 88
Tech - 91
stAte - 117

Here's another unbiased source - Congrove Computer Rankings or http://www.collegefootballpoll.com

The last 5 years

2010:
Troy - 49
FIU - 67
MTSU - 79
LT - 81

2009:
MTSU - 23
Troy - 31
ULM - 72
ULL - 75
FAU - 86
LT - 90

2008:
Troy - 40
LT - 54
FAU - 62

2007:
Troy - 41
FAU - 50
ULM - 68
MTSU - 82
ASU - 86
LT - 88

2006:
Troy - 60
MTSU - 68
ULL - 74
ASU - 77
FAU - 86
ULM - 96
UNT - 106
LT - 107

That's an average finish of about 5th place.

And your average final ranking is 84th. In fact, if not for the 54th ranking in 2008, your next best ranking was #81 this year.

(01-25-2011 02:01 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:47 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:19 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:13 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 12:37 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  If history is any indicator, Tech would win 63% of its Sun Belt games. Whereas we only win 43% of the time against WAC and CUSA teams.

Ironically, Troy also wins 63% of its games against the Sun Belt and 43% against WAC and CUSA teams.

SunBelt teams have Improved by leaps and bounds since then....Check out 2-1 bowl record this year (Which should have been 3-0)

So has Tech.

1-1 vs. Sun Belt in men's basketball this year
1-1 vs. Sun Belt in women's basketball this year.
1-1 vs. Sun Belt in women's volleyball this year.
0-1 vs. Sun Belt in soccer this year.

Not seeing anything that knocks me out except for an inexpensive trip.

You're right, we are pretty bad. However, I was talking about football.

In the past 20 years, Tech is 26-6-1 against Sun Belt teams and the average score is 34-18.

The Tech version of Memphis Drew.

Considering you have only played FOUR games vs Sun Belt schools since there has been a Sun Belt and none in the last four years I really fail to see how Tech has demonstrated any improvement vs. the Sun Belt in football compared to the Belt. A glance at records indicates Tech has faded since ceasing regular competition with Sun Belt schools.

But back to football let's take a look
2003
Tech beats the Cajuns by 31, the Cajuns won 4 games that year and finished 3 games back in the Sun Belt.
2004
Tech beats the Cajuns by 4. The Cajuns won 4that year and finished 5 games out in the Sun Belt
2005
Beat UNT by 26. UNT finished with 2 wins 3 games back
2006
Tech wins by 3. UNT wins 3 and finishes 4 games back.

So all we have seen of improvement is two handy wins and two close wins over Sun Belt teams that were three to five games out of the Sun Belt race and have yet to see Tech play a Sun Belt team that finished .500 or better.

We could have seen that in 2008 but Tech threatened to decline an I-Bowl invite rather than have that happen.

History doesn't quite tell the story. For example Tech met Boise State three times before entering the WAC and won all three including a 63-28 beating in Ruston. Tech won in 2001. History therefore declares Tech to be the superior program as long as you exclude the next nine meetings.

(01-25-2011 02:39 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  But you are saying all of that like the addition of Tech alone would bolster the perception of the SBC when that is not the case nor true...If Tech had so much value then it wouldn't repeated get passed over by CUSA everytime a spot opens there. Besides, what the SBC needs to do is add markets. That is what the networks want, viewers for their programing. As was pointed out when Tech played NIU in the Independence Bowl, the decision came down to attracting viewers. That is why ESPN purportedly went with NIU and the northern Illinois/Chicago market. Such is the case with conference expansion. The SBC sits in a prime place to add westernly and move into the Mountain time zone while also moving into a large metro market - this would be with the additions of NMSU and UTSA. The addition of those two would the SBC to present weekday evening games to the networks, as we can play games to fill the 8 pm to 10 pm CST (9 pm to 11 pm EST, 7 pm to 9pm MST and 6 pm to 8 pm PST) programing void during the week. That is pretty huge...Moreover, with the addition of the San Antonio market we can present more homes as potential viewers for increased monetary payout...

The quoted text is an utter falsity. TWO members of the Independence Bowl have stated that the reason NIU was invited was because Tech was going to decline the invite to try to go Houston if a Sun Belt was invited. One of those members directly asked an assistant AD about it later and he claimed that Tech's threat was mis-understood and only applied to UL not ASU.

ESPN made no attempt to get NIU in the game.

(01-25-2011 02:54 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 02:29 PM)Troy87 Wrote:  To that end, to say that Tech would be more than middle of the pack in the Sunbelt the past two or three years would be.....

well......

being a homer for La. Tech. Which is the thing to do, but still...

It looks like we would have been 2nd or 3rd in the past 3 years... from an unbiased standpoint:

2008:
Troy - 70
La Tech - 87
FAU - 102

2009:
MTSU - 63
Troy - 69
Tech - 89
ULM - 109

2010:
Troy - 80
FAU - 88
Tech - 91
stAte - 117

WOAH NOW!!!! Where did you get that informations? Is that football rankings? if so thats TOTAL BS because in 2010 FAU was like 2nd or 3rd to last in the conference and FIU shaired the conference with TROY......

(01-25-2011 03:23 PM)Troy87 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 02:54 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 02:29 PM)Troy87 Wrote:  To that end, to say that Tech would be more than middle of the pack in the Sunbelt the past two or three years would be.....

well......

being a homer for La. Tech. Which is the thing to do, but still...

It looks like we would have been 2nd or 3rd in the past 3 years... from an unbiased standpoint:

2008:
Troy - 70
La Tech - 87
FAU - 102

2009:
MTSU - 63
Troy - 69
Tech - 89
ULM - 109

2010:
Troy - 80
FAU - 88
Tech - 91
stAte - 117

Here's another unbiased source - Congrove Computer Rankings or http://www.collegefootballpoll.com

The last 5 years

2010:
Troy - 49
FIU - 67
MTSU - 79
LT - 81

2009:
MTSU - 23
Troy - 31
ULM - 72
ULL - 75
FAU - 86
LT - 90

2008:
Troy - 40
LT - 54
FAU - 62

2007:
Troy - 41
FAU - 50
ULM - 68
MTSU - 82
ASU - 86
LT - 88

2006:
Troy - 60
MTSU - 68
ULL - 74
ASU - 77
FAU - 86
ULM - 96
UNT - 106
LT - 107

(point taken)

(01-25-2011 02:39 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 02:19 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 02:06 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 02:01 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:47 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  1-1 vs. Sun Belt in men's basketball this year
1-1 vs. Sun Belt in women's basketball this year.
1-1 vs. Sun Belt in women's volleyball this year.
0-1 vs. Sun Belt in soccer this year.

Not seeing anything that knocks me out except for an inexpensive trip.

You're right, we are pretty bad. However, I was talking about football.

In the past 20 years, Tech is 26-6-1 against Sun Belt teams and the average score is 34-18.

This may be....However that was before 2001....Dont expect those same results when/IF yall come back..... I would expect you guys to be much like a MTSU.

2001 is the year we got in the WAC. We have more talent and depth now. I wouldn't expect to dominate the SBC though. I see improvement and Tech is not so good that we would have an easy way with all SBC teams. We still struggle with Utah St, New Mexico St, and Idaho. I also think that if Tech were to join the SBC, it would have a positive effect on everyone else's recruiting and the SBC improvement would continue.

But you are saying all of that like the addition of Tech alone would bolster the perception of the SBC when that is not the case nor true...If Tech had so much value then it wouldn't repeated get passed over by CUSA everytime a spot opens there. Besides, what the SBC needs to do is add markets. That is what the networks want, viewers for their programing. As was pointed out when Tech played NIU in the Independence Bowl, the decision came down to attracting viewers. That is why ESPN purportedly went with NIU and the northern Illinois/Chicago market. Such is the case with conference expansion. The SBC sits in a prime place to add westernly and move into the Mountain time zone while also moving into a large metro market - this would be with the additions of NMSU and UTSA. The addition of those two would the SBC to present weekday evening games to the networks, as we can play games to fill the 8 pm to 10 pm CST (9 pm to 11 pm EST, 7 pm to 9pm MST and 6 pm to 8 pm PST) programing void during the week. That is pretty huge...Moreover, with the addition of the San Antonio market we can present more homes as potential viewers for increased monetary payout...

No I'm saying the addition of Tech would make the SBC a better football league. CUSA is more interested in markets than good teams.... see SMU, UTEP, Rice, UAB, Tulane.... But I do agree with you. I think the CUSA strategy is smart because right now, they have the best TV deal among non-AQ leagues and they are only the 3rd best league in terms of BCS distribution. If the SBC wants to make more money, they would be smart to bring in UTSA. That would probably be another hit to the national perception of the SBC though.

(01-25-2011 02:01 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:47 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:19 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:13 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 12:37 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  If history is any indicator, Tech would win 63% of its Sun Belt games. Whereas we only win 43% of the time against WAC and CUSA teams.

Ironically, Troy also wins 63% of its games against the Sun Belt and 43% against WAC and CUSA teams.

SunBelt teams have Improved by leaps and bounds since then....Check out 2-1 bowl record this year (Which should have been 3-0)

So has Tech.

1-1 vs. Sun Belt in men's basketball this year
1-1 vs. Sun Belt in women's basketball this year.
1-1 vs. Sun Belt in women's volleyball this year.
0-1 vs. Sun Belt in soccer this year.

Not seeing anything that knocks me out except for an inexpensive trip.

You're right, we are pretty bad. However, I was talking about football.

In the past 20 years, Tech is 26-6-1 against Sun Belt teams and the average score is 34-18.

What is your record in the last 10 years, or last 5 years????

(01-25-2011 03:28 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 02:54 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 02:29 PM)Troy87 Wrote:  To that end, to say that Tech would be more than middle of the pack in the Sunbelt the past two or three years would be.....

well......

being a homer for La. Tech. Which is the thing to do, but still...

It looks like we would have been 2nd or 3rd in the past 3 years... from an unbiased standpoint:

2008:
Troy - 70
La Tech - 87
FAU - 102

2009:
MTSU - 63
Troy - 69
Tech - 89
ULM - 109

2010:
Troy - 80
FAU - 88
Tech - 91
stAte - 117

WOAH NOW!!!! Where did you get that informations? Is that football rankings? if so thats TOTAL BS because in 2010 FAU was like 2nd or 3rd to last in the conference and FIU shaired the conference with TROY......

Yeah... that should have been FIU at #88. FAU was #155.

(01-25-2011 03:41 PM)BankerCajun Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 02:01 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:47 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:19 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:13 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  SunBelt teams have Improved by leaps and bounds since then....Check out 2-1 bowl record this year (Which should have been 3-0)

So has Tech.

1-1 vs. Sun Belt in men's basketball this year
1-1 vs. Sun Belt in women's basketball this year.
1-1 vs. Sun Belt in women's volleyball this year.
0-1 vs. Sun Belt in soccer this year.

Not seeing anything that knocks me out except for an inexpensive trip.

You're right, we are pretty bad. However, I was talking about football.

In the past 20 years, Tech is 26-6-1 against Sun Belt teams and the average score is 34-18.

What is your record in the last 10 years, or last 5 years????

4-0 since 2001. (2 vs ULL and 2 vs UNT). Avg score 33-17

(01-25-2011 03:41 PM)BankerCajun Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 02:01 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:47 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:19 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:13 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  SunBelt teams have Improved by leaps and bounds since then....Check out 2-1 bowl record this year (Which should have been 3-0)

So has Tech.

1-1 vs. Sun Belt in men's basketball this year
1-1 vs. Sun Belt in women's basketball this year.
1-1 vs. Sun Belt in women's volleyball this year.
0-1 vs. Sun Belt in soccer this year.

Not seeing anything that knocks me out except for an inexpensive trip.

You're right, we are pretty bad. However, I was talking about football.

In the past 20 years, Tech is 26-6-1 against Sun Belt teams and the average score is 34-18.

What is your record in the last 10 years, or last 5 years????

In fact the WAC has done a great job in NOT scheduling many if any Sunbelt football games in the last 5 years.. No one really knows how the Belt would measure up to the WAC...

(01-25-2011 03:49 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 03:41 PM)BankerCajun Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 02:01 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:47 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:19 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  So has Tech.

1-1 vs. Sun Belt in men's basketball this year
1-1 vs. Sun Belt in women's basketball this year.
1-1 vs. Sun Belt in women's volleyball this year.
0-1 vs. Sun Belt in soccer this year.

Not seeing anything that knocks me out except for an inexpensive trip.

You're right, we are pretty bad. However, I was talking about football.

In the past 20 years, Tech is 26-6-1 against Sun Belt teams and the average score is 34-18.

What is your record in the last 10 years, or last 5 years????

4-0 since 2001. (2 vs ULL and 2 vs UNT). Avg score 33-17

A small sample, from too long ago, against bottom half teams.

(01-25-2011 03:52 PM)BankerCajun Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 03:41 PM)BankerCajun Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 02:01 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:47 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-25-2011 01:19 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  So has Tech.

1-1 vs. Sun Belt in men's basketball this year
1-1 vs. Sun Belt in women's basketball this year.
1-1 vs. Sun Belt in women's volleyball this year.
0-1 vs. Sun Belt in soccer this year.

Not seeing anything that knocks me out except for an inexpensive trip.

You're right, we are pretty bad. However, I was talking about football.

In the past 20 years, Tech is 26-6-1 against Sun Belt teams and the average score is 34-18.

What is your record in the last 10 years, or last 5 years????

In fact the WAC has done a great job in NOT scheduling many if any Sunbelt football games in the last 5 years.. No one really knows how the Belt would measure up to the WAC...

I doubt it's much more than a geographical thing. What would the Sun Belt or WAC gain from playing each other? More expensive trips, less traveling fans...outside of La Tech playing against some Sun Belt teams or UNT perhaps playing against some WAC teams, it just doesn't make a lot of sense.