(01-22-2011 09:26 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(01-20-2011 02:30 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(01-20-2011 01:38 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  LOL....legalize rape, murder and robbery and we can close a lot of ours too.

Because when I think marijuana smoker watching movies on the couch eating Cheetos ............ I think armed robber who will rape and murder the bank teller hostage.

And when I think of prisons I think 20 year old sentenced to life for smoking a bone. In the Netherlands, where are the bank robbers, car jackers and gang bangers that fill our prison systems?

Wanna smoke your doobies, go to the Netherlands.............or California where you can get a medical pot card in 3 minutes and be legally allowed to smoke all you want unless you want to drive legally or get a job.

Steve...The debate is about crime that has NO victim. In O9 there were over 750,000 people arrested for simple possession of cannabis in the US. None of these people have harmed a single person...yet...They are criminals? Please.

The drug war...especially on cannabis.... is in itself a giant bureaucracy that is financed by "creating" criminals and extracting wealth from them in the form of fines. The drug war is a sham. Most of its focus is on cannabis and those that use it. WHY?...Because it is EASY for law enforcement. Users are not violent people and are easy targets for the law enforcers.

When the drug war starts to focus upon dangerous drugs and their trafficking instead of targeting cannabis growers and users to make their paychecks...then I will support the efforts of law enforcement in this matter. Until then..I consider them simply extortionists.

(01-20-2011 05:24 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(01-20-2011 04:11 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Police state much?

Just at the federal level. IIUC, each of these agencies has some form of a firearm carrying LEO

Office of Inspector General (USDAOIG)
United States Forest Service (USFS)
U.S. Forest Service Law Enforcement and Investigations (USFSLEI)
Department of Commerce (DOC)Bureau of Industry and Security, Office of Export Enforcement (DOCOEE)
National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
National Institute of Standards and Technology Police (NIST Police)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Fisheries Office for Law Enforcement (OLE)
Department of Commerce Office of Security|Office of Security (DOCOS)
Department of Commerce Office of Inspector General (DOCOIG)
Department of Defense (DOD)Office of Inspector General (DODOIG)
Defense Criminal Investigative Service (DCIS)
Pentagon Force Protection Agency (PFPA)
United States Pentagon Police (USPPD)
Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) Police
National Security Agency (NSA) Police
Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) Police
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) Police
Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR)
Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR)
Department of the Air ForceAir Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI)
Air Force Security Forces Center (AFSFC)
Department of the Air Force Police
Department of the Army United States Army Criminal Investigation Command (CIDC)
United States Army Military Police Corps
Department of the Army Police
United States Army Corrections Command
Department of the NavyNaval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS)
United States Marine Corps Criminal Investigation Division (MC CID)
Department of the Navy Police
Marine Corps Provost Marshal's Office (USMC military police)
United States Marine Corps Police (USMC civilian Police)
Master-at-Arms (U.S. Navy military police)
Department of Education Office of the Inspector General (EDOIG)
Department of Energy (DOE)Office of Inspector General (DOEOIG)
Office of Health, Safety and Security (DOEHSS)
Office of Secure Transportation (OST)
Department of Health and Human ServicesUnited Stated Food and Drug and Administration (HHSFDA)
Office of Criminal Investigations (OCI)
National Institutes of Health (NIH)
National Institutes of Health Police (NIH Police)
Office of Inspector General (HHSOIG)
Department of Homeland Security (DHS)
United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS)
United States Coast Guard (USCG)
Coast Guard Investigative Service (CGIS)
United States Customs and Border Protection (CBP)
Office of Field Operations (OFO) - formerly the United States Customs Service
United States Border Patrol (USBP)
Office of CBP Air and Marine (OAM)
Federal Protective Service (FPS)
United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE)
Enforcement Removal Operations (ERO)
Homeland Security Investigations (HSI)
Office of Intelligence
Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR)
United States Secret Service (USSS)
Transportation Security Administration (TSA)
Office of Law Enforcement/Federal Air Marshal Service (FAMS)
Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General (DHSOIG)
Department of Housing and Urban DevelopmentOffice of Inspector General (HUD/OIG) [1]
Protective Service Division (HUDPSD)
Department of the Interior (USDI)Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA)
Bureau of Indian Affairs Police (BIA Police)
Bureau of Land Management (BLM)
Bureau of Land Management Office of Law Enforcement (BLM Rangers)
Bureau of Reclamation (BOR)
Bureau of Reclamation Office of Law Enforcement (BOR Rangers)
Hoover Dam Police aka Bureau of Reclamation Police
National Park Service (NPS)
Division of Law Enforcement, Security and Emergency Services
United States Park Police
Office of Inspector General (DOIOIG)
Office of Surface Mining Reclamation and Enforcement (OSMRE)
United States Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS)
Office of Law Enforcement
Division of Refuge Law Enforcement
Department of Justice (USDOJ)Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF)
United States Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA)
Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)
Federal Bureau of Investigation Police (FBI Police)
Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP)
Office of Inspector General (DOJOIG)
United States Marshals Service (USMS)
Office of Special Investigations (OSI) (1979-10)
Department of LaborOffice of Inspector General (DOLOIG)
Department of State (DOS)Diplomatic Security Service (DSS)
Office of Inspector General (SDOIG)
Department of TransportationFederal Aviation Administration (FAA)
Office of Inspector General (DOTOIG)
United States Merchant Marine Academy Department of Public Safety (USMMADPS)
Department of the Treasury
Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau
Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP)
Bureau of Engraving and Printing Police (BEP Police)
Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FINCEN)
Internal Revenue Service Criminal Investigation Division (IRS-CI)
Office of Inspector General (TREASOIG)
Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA)
United States Mint Police (USMP)
Special Inspector General for the Troubled Asset Relief Program (SIGTARP)
Department of Veterans AffairsOffice of Inspector General (VAOIG)
Veterans Affairs Police
United States Environmental Protection AgencyCriminal Investigation Division (EPACID)
Office of Inspector General (EPAOIG)
United States CongressLibrary of Congress, Office of Security and Emergency Preparedness (LOC)
Sergeant at Arms of the United States House of Representatives
Sergeant at Arms of the United States Senate
United States Capitol Police (USCP)
United States Government Printing Office Police
Office of Inspector General, United States Government Printing Office
Office of the U. S. Courts, Office of Probation and Pretrial Services (AOUSC)
United States Supreme Court Police
Amtrak Office of Inspector General
Amtrak Office of Security Strategy and Special Operations (OSSSO)
Amtrak Police
Central Intelligence Agency Security Protective Service (CIASPS)
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, Office of Inspector General (FDICOIG)
Federal Reserve Bank: Federal Reserve Police
General Services Administration, Office of Inspector General (GSAOIG)National Aeronautics and Space Administration Office of Inspector General (NASAOIG)
NASA Security Services
Nuclear Regulatory Commission, Office of Inspector General (NRCOIG)
Office of Personnel Management, Office of Inspector General (OPMOIG)
Railroad Retirement Board, Office of Inspector General (RRBOIG)
Small Business Administration, Office of Inspector General (SBAOIG)
Smithsonian Institution
Office of Protection Services (SI)
National Zoological Park Police (NZPP)
Office of the Inspector General (OIG)
Social Security Administration Office of Inspector General (SSAOIG)
Tennessee Valley Authority
Tennessee Valley Authority Office of Inspector General (TVAOIG)
Tennessee Valley Authority Police (TVAP)
United States Agency for International Development, Office of Inspector General (AIDOIG)
United States Postal Service (USPS)
USPS Office of Inspector General (USPSOIG)
United States Postal Inspection Service (USPIS)
U.S. Postal Police

I feel safer now.

(01-22-2011 10:27 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-22-2011 09:26 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(01-20-2011 02:30 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(01-20-2011 01:38 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  LOL....legalize rape, murder and robbery and we can close a lot of ours too.

Because when I think marijuana smoker watching movies on the couch eating Cheetos ............ I think armed robber who will rape and murder the bank teller hostage.

And when I think of prisons I think 20 year old sentenced to life for smoking a bone. In the Netherlands, where are the bank robbers, car jackers and gang bangers that fill our prison systems?

Wanna smoke your doobies, go to the Netherlands.............or California where you can get a medical pot card in 3 minutes and be legally allowed to smoke all you want unless you want to drive legally or get a job.

Steve...The debate is about crime that has NO victim. In O9 there were over 750,000 people arrested for simple possession of cannabis in the US. None of these people have harmed a single person...yet...They are criminals? Please.

The drug war...especially on cannabis.... is in itself a giant bureaucracy that is financed by "creating" criminals and extracting wealth from them in the form of fines. The drug war is a sham. Most of its focus is on cannabis and those that use it. WHY?...Because it is EASY for law enforcement. Users are not violent people and are easy targets for the law enforcers.

When the drug war starts to focus upon dangerous drugs and their trafficking instead of targeting cannabis growers and users to make their paychecks...then I will support the efforts of law enforcement in this matter. Until then..I consider them simply extortionists.

I guess the question then is, do you legalize marijuana and keep the other stuff (cocaine, heroin, etc.) illegal? Will that help the prison situation, and/or cutback on enforcement costs? I suppose that would result in lost jobs for some of those agencies listed above. I wonder if that's a bigger disincentive to legalization than the problem of admitting what they've been doing all this time has been wrong.

(01-23-2011 01:31 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-22-2011 10:27 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-22-2011 09:26 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(01-20-2011 02:30 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(01-20-2011 01:38 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  LOL....legalize rape, murder and robbery and we can close a lot of ours too.

Because when I think marijuana smoker watching movies on the couch eating Cheetos ............ I think armed robber who will rape and murder the bank teller hostage.

And when I think of prisons I think 20 year old sentenced to life for smoking a bone. In the Netherlands, where are the bank robbers, car jackers and gang bangers that fill our prison systems?

Wanna smoke your doobies, go to the Netherlands.............or California where you can get a medical pot card in 3 minutes and be legally allowed to smoke all you want unless you want to drive legally or get a job.

Steve...The debate is about crime that has NO victim. In O9 there were over 750,000 people arrested for simple possession of cannabis in the US. None of these people have harmed a single person...yet...They are criminals? Please.

The drug war...especially on cannabis.... is in itself a giant bureaucracy that is financed by "creating" criminals and extracting wealth from them in the form of fines. The drug war is a sham. Most of its focus is on cannabis and those that use it. WHY?...Because it is EASY for law enforcement. Users are not violent people and are easy targets for the law enforcers.

When the drug war starts to focus upon dangerous drugs and their trafficking instead of targeting cannabis growers and users to make their paychecks...then I will support the efforts of law enforcement in this matter. Until then..I consider them simply extortionists.

I guess the question then is, do you legalize marijuana and keep the other stuff (cocaine, heroin, etc.) illegal? Will that help the prison situation, and/or cutback on enforcement costs? I suppose that would result in lost jobs for some of those agencies listed above. I wonder if that's a bigger disincentive to legalization than the problem of admitting what they've been doing all this time has been wrong.

I think hemp should be legal , not sure about the others ,,, what would be the worst out come if they did legalize all of them , probably one thing "more addicts" I think that would be the only set back, but that
is an indivual choice. You can write as many laws as you want but that
will not save an individual from themselfs, nor deter them from any activity that they wish to indulge in...

(01-23-2011 02:23 PM)MonsterTigerBlue Wrote:  

(01-23-2011 01:31 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-22-2011 10:27 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-22-2011 09:26 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(01-20-2011 02:30 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Because when I think marijuana smoker watching movies on the couch eating Cheetos ............ I think armed robber who will rape and murder the bank teller hostage.

And when I think of prisons I think 20 year old sentenced to life for smoking a bone. In the Netherlands, where are the bank robbers, car jackers and gang bangers that fill our prison systems?

Wanna smoke your doobies, go to the Netherlands.............or California where you can get a medical pot card in 3 minutes and be legally allowed to smoke all you want unless you want to drive legally or get a job.

Steve...The debate is about crime that has NO victim. In O9 there were over 750,000 people arrested for simple possession of cannabis in the US. None of these people have harmed a single person...yet...They are criminals? Please.

The drug war...especially on cannabis.... is in itself a giant bureaucracy that is financed by "creating" criminals and extracting wealth from them in the form of fines. The drug war is a sham. Most of its focus is on cannabis and those that use it. WHY?...Because it is EASY for law enforcement. Users are not violent people and are easy targets for the law enforcers.

When the drug war starts to focus upon dangerous drugs and their trafficking instead of targeting cannabis growers and users to make their paychecks...then I will support the efforts of law enforcement in this matter. Until then..I consider them simply extortionists.

I guess the question then is, do you legalize marijuana and keep the other stuff (cocaine, heroin, etc.) illegal? Will that help the prison situation, and/or cutback on enforcement costs? I suppose that would result in lost jobs for some of those agencies listed above. I wonder if that's a bigger disincentive to legalization than the problem of admitting what they've been doing all this time has been wrong.

I think hemp should be legal , not sure about the others ,,, what would be the worst out come if they did legalize all of them , probably one thing "more addicts" I think that would be the only set back, but that
is an indivual choice. You can write as many laws as you want but that
will not save an individual from themselfs, nor deter them from any activity that they wish to indulge in...

Absolutely...All you do with prohibition is create a dangerous black market. The evidence is overwhelming. People are going to do whatever the hell they want to in regard to these substance. How does regulation in a similar manner we do for hard liquor not make sense? Again...the evidence is overwhelming. We do not have bootlegging going on anymore other than for the novelty of it.

Remove the prohibition and you remove the black market and make the substances safer for consumption with production quality control methods and dosage information and warnings.

We constantly hear defenders of the drug war preach that "we must keep drugs out of the hands of kids"...well...I submit that controlling them would be much more effective than the useless system we have today. All the system does now is make criminals out of peaceful people and put dollars into the pockets of the enforcers in the form of salaries. I has done more harm than good. It does not protect kids from drugs.

(01-22-2011 10:27 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-22-2011 09:26 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(01-20-2011 02:30 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(01-20-2011 01:38 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  LOL....legalize rape, murder and robbery and we can close a lot of ours too.

Because when I think marijuana smoker watching movies on the couch eating Cheetos ............ I think armed robber who will rape and murder the bank teller hostage.

And when I think of prisons I think 20 year old sentenced to life for smoking a bone. In the Netherlands, where are the bank robbers, car jackers and gang bangers that fill our prison systems?

Wanna smoke your doobies, go to the Netherlands.............or California where you can get a medical pot card in 3 minutes and be legally allowed to smoke all you want unless you want to drive legally or get a job.

Steve...The debate is about crime that has NO victim. In O9 there were over 750,000 people arrested for simple possession of cannabis in the US. None of these people have harmed a single person...yet...They are criminals? Please.

The drug war...especially on cannabis.... is in itself a giant bureaucracy that is financed by "creating" criminals and extracting wealth from them in the form of fines. The drug war is a sham. Most of its focus is on cannabis and those that use it. WHY?...Because it is EASY for law enforcement. Users are not violent people and are easy targets for the law enforcers.

When the drug war starts to focus upon dangerous drugs and their trafficking instead of targeting cannabis growers and users to make their paychecks...then I will support the efforts of law enforcement in this matter. Until then..I consider them simply extortionists.

Fo, I think we'd agree that pot smoking sits on a sliding moral scale with different people/states/countries thinking differently. Why is the age to have consensual sex different from state to state? In one state there's a victim, in another there's no crime being committed.

(01-23-2011 10:32 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(01-22-2011 10:27 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-22-2011 09:26 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(01-20-2011 02:30 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(01-20-2011 01:38 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  LOL....legalize rape, murder and robbery and we can close a lot of ours too.

Because when I think marijuana smoker watching movies on the couch eating Cheetos ............ I think armed robber who will rape and murder the bank teller hostage.

And when I think of prisons I think 20 year old sentenced to life for smoking a bone. In the Netherlands, where are the bank robbers, car jackers and gang bangers that fill our prison systems?

Wanna smoke your doobies, go to the Netherlands.............or California where you can get a medical pot card in 3 minutes and be legally allowed to smoke all you want unless you want to drive legally or get a job.

Steve...The debate is about crime that has NO victim. In O9 there were over 750,000 people arrested for simple possession of cannabis in the US. None of these people have harmed a single person...yet...They are criminals? Please.

The drug war...especially on cannabis.... is in itself a giant bureaucracy that is financed by "creating" criminals and extracting wealth from them in the form of fines. The drug war is a sham. Most of its focus is on cannabis and those that use it. WHY?...Because it is EASY for law enforcement. Users are not violent people and are easy targets for the law enforcers.

When the drug war starts to focus upon dangerous drugs and their trafficking instead of targeting cannabis growers and users to make their paychecks...then I will support the efforts of law enforcement in this matter. Until then..I consider them simply extortionists.

Fo, I think we'd agree that pot smoking sits on a sliding moral scale with different people/states/countries thinking differently. Why is the age to have consensual sex different from state to state? In one state there's a victim, in another there's no crime being committed.

My scale is simple...Whatever one does that involves no theft,fraud or violence is not a crime. Everything else is simply a personal choice and is none of my business.

(01-24-2011 06:28 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  My scale is simple...Whatever one does that involves no theft,fraud or violence is not a crime. Everything else is simply a personal choice and is none of my business.

Good scale if you ask me.

(01-24-2011 06:28 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-23-2011 10:32 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(01-22-2011 10:27 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-22-2011 09:26 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(01-20-2011 02:30 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Because when I think marijuana smoker watching movies on the couch eating Cheetos ............ I think armed robber who will rape and murder the bank teller hostage.

And when I think of prisons I think 20 year old sentenced to life for smoking a bone. In the Netherlands, where are the bank robbers, car jackers and gang bangers that fill our prison systems?

Wanna smoke your doobies, go to the Netherlands.............or California where you can get a medical pot card in 3 minutes and be legally allowed to smoke all you want unless you want to drive legally or get a job.

Steve...The debate is about crime that has NO victim. In O9 there were over 750,000 people arrested for simple possession of cannabis in the US. None of these people have harmed a single person...yet...They are criminals? Please.

The drug war...especially on cannabis.... is in itself a giant bureaucracy that is financed by "creating" criminals and extracting wealth from them in the form of fines. The drug war is a sham. Most of its focus is on cannabis and those that use it. WHY?...Because it is EASY for law enforcement. Users are not violent people and are easy targets for the law enforcers.

When the drug war starts to focus upon dangerous drugs and their trafficking instead of targeting cannabis growers and users to make their paychecks...then I will support the efforts of law enforcement in this matter. Until then..I consider them simply extortionists.

Fo, I think we'd agree that pot smoking sits on a sliding moral scale with different people/states/countries thinking differently. Why is the age to have consensual sex different from state to state? In one state there's a victim, in another there's no crime being committed.

My scale is simple...Whatever one does that involves no theft,fraud or violence is not a crime. Everything else is simply a personal choice and is none of my business.

Don't forget about damage to property.

(01-25-2011 06:09 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-24-2011 06:28 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-23-2011 10:32 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(01-22-2011 10:27 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-22-2011 09:26 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  And when I think of prisons I think 20 year old sentenced to life for smoking a bone. In the Netherlands, where are the bank robbers, car jackers and gang bangers that fill our prison systems?

Wanna smoke your doobies, go to the Netherlands.............or California where you can get a medical pot card in 3 minutes and be legally allowed to smoke all you want unless you want to drive legally or get a job.

Steve...The debate is about crime that has NO victim. In O9 there were over 750,000 people arrested for simple possession of cannabis in the US. None of these people have harmed a single person...yet...They are criminals? Please.

The drug war...especially on cannabis.... is in itself a giant bureaucracy that is financed by "creating" criminals and extracting wealth from them in the form of fines. The drug war is a sham. Most of its focus is on cannabis and those that use it. WHY?...Because it is EASY for law enforcement. Users are not violent people and are easy targets for the law enforcers.

When the drug war starts to focus upon dangerous drugs and their trafficking instead of targeting cannabis growers and users to make their paychecks...then I will support the efforts of law enforcement in this matter. Until then..I consider them simply extortionists.

Fo, I think we'd agree that pot smoking sits on a sliding moral scale with different people/states/countries thinking differently. Why is the age to have consensual sex different from state to state? In one state there's a victim, in another there's no crime being committed.

My scale is simple...Whatever one does that involves no theft,fraud or violence is not a crime. Everything else is simply a personal choice and is none of my business.

Don't forget about damage to property.

Yes...I include that in the violence category..but..it probably needs to stand alone on that scale.