(01-14-2011 10:50 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-14-2011 08:31 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I would rather keep hope that CUSA might get severely raided and that their leftovers would defect to the SBC. Of course, that's a long shot.

If Georgia State or UNC-Charlotte are winning national championships in the FCS by 2020, then I might not mind seeing them in the SBC. Until then, I wouldn't want to see them in the conference. Or Kennesaw State and Lamar for that matter... with all due respect.

You wont have to worry. None of those CAA or east coast teams mentioned hear will end up in the SBC. The rumblings for a new east coast conference have already started and not just from message board posters. The NCAA 2010-100 proposal that passed and saved the WAC autobid just cracked the door open a little further for a new conference.

I'd like ArkSt Fan to weigh in on this, but I thought the last provisions made for teams moving up, like needing an invite from an existing conference, ruled out the possibility of a new conference being formed entirely of teams moving up.

(01-15-2011 10:53 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(01-14-2011 10:50 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-14-2011 08:31 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I would rather keep hope that CUSA might get severely raided and that their leftovers would defect to the SBC. Of course, that's a long shot.

If Georgia State or UNC-Charlotte are winning national championships in the FCS by 2020, then I might not mind seeing them in the SBC. Until then, I wouldn't want to see them in the conference. Or Kennesaw State and Lamar for that matter... with all due respect.

You wont have to worry. None of those CAA or east coast teams mentioned hear will end up in the SBC. The rumblings for a new east coast conference have already started and not just from message board posters. The NCAA 2010-100 proposal that passed and saved the WAC autobid just cracked the door open a little further for a new conference.

I'd like ArkSt Fan to weigh in on this, but I thought the last provisions made for teams moving up, like needing an invite from an existing conference, ruled out the possibility of a new conference being formed entirely of teams moving up.

Link: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2...mert_N.htm
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(01-15-2011 11:03 AM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(01-15-2011 10:53 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(01-14-2011 10:50 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-14-2011 08:31 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I would rather keep hope that CUSA might get severely raided and that their leftovers would defect to the SBC. Of course, that's a long shot.

If Georgia State or UNC-Charlotte are winning national championships in the FCS by 2020, then I might not mind seeing them in the SBC. Until then, I wouldn't want to see them in the conference. Or Kennesaw State and Lamar for that matter... with all due respect.

You wont have to worry. None of those CAA or east coast teams mentioned hear will end up in the SBC. The rumblings for a new east coast conference have already started and not just from message board posters. The NCAA 2010-100 proposal that passed and saved the WAC autobid just cracked the door open a little further for a new conference.

I'd like ArkSt Fan to weigh in on this, but I thought the last provisions made for teams moving up, like needing an invite from an existing conference, ruled out the possibility of a new conference being formed entirely of teams moving up.

Link: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2...mert_N.htm
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It doesn't really say anything definitively about forming a new FBS conference. It would appear that it's not an option, but even if it is, finding at least seven schools willing to pay the new much higher fee will be a big hurdle.

Panama isn't exactly known for having good info, even in regards to his own school.

I would think that the current BCS Conferences would have to vote a newly formed conference in to the membership wouldn't we?

"Panama isn't exactly known for having good info, even in regards to his own school."
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I've noticed.

I just posted the link to point out the high cost of moving up.

(01-15-2011 12:17 AM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  Really? How so? This blurb about slowing down FBS growth was mentioned on our board:
Pricier neighborhood: The Division I Legislative Council approved new conditions for joining the highest-profile division, including a far steeper application fee expected to range from $900,000 to $1.3 million. Reclassifying schools now pay $15,000. The action, designed to stem the division's rapid growth, also requires a standing invitation from a D-I conference.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2...mert_N.htm

Guys, we have to keep a clear distinction between what D-I is and FBS football is.

1.) D-I includes both the FB and FC sub-divisions. D-I also inlcudes all 32 conferences which compete in the NCAA basketball tournament. So if the fee is increasing to the numbers stated above, it looks as if they are trying to prevent the rapid growth of D-I by other, lower, divisions like D-II, D-III, NAIA, etc.

2.) So the NCAA by-law 2010-100 has nothing what so ever to do with the FBS or BCS conferences as it pertains to football. Also, at this time it is not possible to create a D-I 'FBS' conference by joining like-minded 'FCS' schools given the current BCS by-laws.

3.) All 11 current FBS conferences are participating members of the BCS. There are 6 auto-qualifying conferences for the 5 BCS Bowls and 5 non-auto-qualifying conferences who must recieve an at-large bid to the BCS Bowls.

4.) No FBS conference is currently looking to add FCS schools other than the WAC.

5.) The door to entering the FBS/BCS is very narrow. The only way is through an invite from an FBS conference. I'm not sure if you can even go FBS indy anymore. The scheduling would be nearly impossible for a current FCS.

So until the BCS by-laws are amended, the only way to FBS status is through an FBS conference. And at this time the 'no vacancy' sign is hanging on the door.

This is what you're up against. Fact not fiction. Now get to work changing the by-laws if you are serious about moving up.

Also, winning the FCS title a lot will help your cause. Playoff wins don't mean anything, gotta win the who thing to get any love.

(01-15-2011 11:56 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  Also, winning the FCS title a lot will help your cause. Playoff wins don't mean anything, gotta win the who thing to get any love.

1978 Florida A&M
1979 Eastern Kentucky
1980 Boise St. (ID)
1981 Idaho St.
1982 Eastern Kentucky
1983 Southern Illinois
1984 Montana St.
1985 Georgia Southern
1986 Georgia Southern
1987 Louisiana-Monroe
1988 Furman (SC)
1989 Georgia Southern
1990 Georgia Southern
1991 Youngstown St. (OH)
1992 Marshall (WV)
1993 Youngstown St. (OH)
1994 Youngstown St. (OH)
1995 Montana
1996 Marshall (WV)
1997 Youngstown St. (OH)
1998 Massachusetts
1999 Georgia Southern
2000 Georgia Southern
2001 Montana
2002 Western Kentucky
2003 Delaware
2004 James Madison (VA)
2005 Appalachian St. (NC)
2006 Appalachian St. (NC)
2007 Appalachian St. (NC)
2008 Richmond (VA)
2009 Villanova (PA)
2010 Eastern Washington

Only four of those schools are playing FBS football and Boise is the only really doing anything. FCS titles mean very little.

(01-15-2011 11:50 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(01-15-2011 12:17 AM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  Really? How so? This blurb about slowing down FBS growth was mentioned on our board:
Pricier neighborhood: The Division I Legislative Council approved new conditions for joining the highest-profile division, including a far steeper application fee expected to range from $900,000 to $1.3 million. Reclassifying schools now pay $15,000. The action, designed to stem the division's rapid growth, also requires a standing invitation from a D-I conference.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2...mert_N.htm

Guys, we have to keep a clear distinction between what D-I is and FBS football is.

1.) D-I includes both the FB and FC sub-divisions. D-I also inlcudes all 32 conferences which compete in the NCAA basketball tournament. So if the fee is increasing to the numbers stated above, it looks as if they are trying to prevent the rapid growth of D-I by other, lower, divisions like D-II, D-III, NAIA, etc.

2.) So the NCAA by-law 2010-100 has nothing what so ever to do with the FBS or BCS conferences as it pertains to football. Also, at this time it is not possible to create a D-I 'FBS' conference by joining like-minded 'FCS' schools given the current BCS by-laws.

3.) All 11 current FBS conferences are participating members of the BCS. There are 6 auto-qualifying conferences for the 5 BCS Bowls and 5 non-auto-qualifying conferences who must recieve an at-large bid to the BCS Bowls.

4.) No FBS conference is currently looking to add FCS schools other than the WAC.
5.) The door to entering the FBS/BCS is very narrow. The only way is through an invite from an FBS conference. I'm not sure if you can even go FBS indy anymore. The scheduling would be nearly impossible for a current FCS.

So until the BCS by-laws are amended, the only way to FBS status is through an FBS conference. And at this time the 'no vacancy' sign is hanging on the door.

This is what you're up against. Fact not fiction. Now get to work changing the by-laws if you are serious about moving up.

This is true beyond two exceptions: The Mid-American Conference courting the University of Massachusetts, and the Big Lea$t hoping Villanova will upgrade football, but Villy from Philly is already a member of the Big Lea$t in all other sports. UMass is just being courted by the MAC and has yet to receive a standing invitation to join which is required of FCS schools before they can move up (must have a standing invitation from a present FBS conference).

(01-15-2011 12:29 PM)TennesseeBoyintheRockies Wrote:  This is true beyond two exceptions: The Mid-American Conference courting the University of Massachusetts, and the Big Lea$t hoping Villanova will upgrade football, but Villy from Philly is already a member of the Big Lea$t in all other sports. UMass is just being courted by the MAC and has yet to receive a standing invitation to join which is required of FCS schools before they can move up (must have a standing invitation from a present FBS conference).

There's some 'inside baseball' going on here. Either the BEast (or B10) is scratching the MAC's back big-time here; probably the BEast.

The Big East (read ESPN here) wants to become competitive over time by growing 'organically' from their region using the UConn model. UMass, as a state flagship, has plenty of money to make the move but needs a lot of seasoning; hence the move to the MAC.

When UMass has the girth to not hurt the Big East's BCS rankings too much, they will make the transition. The MAC gets preferential treatment for scheduling and a big wet kiss on the mouth from ESPN.

Right now the Big East is a BCS sham (4 loss UConn instead of Boise, hah!). We'll see how that UMass thing works out but the stronger BCS conferences are really hording schools right now.

Would it be a conference comprised of start-ups Kennesaw State, Georgia State, Lamar, UNC-Charlotte, and Old Dominion? That would be the most unexciting conference I've ever heard of.

(01-15-2011 11:50 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(01-15-2011 12:17 AM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  Really? How so? This blurb about slowing down FBS growth was mentioned on our board:
Pricier neighborhood: The Division I Legislative Council approved new conditions for joining the highest-profile division, including a far steeper application fee expected to range from $900,000 to $1.3 million. Reclassifying schools now pay $15,000. The action, designed to stem the division's rapid growth, also requires a standing invitation from a D-I conference.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2...mert_N.htm

Guys, we have to keep a clear distinction between what D-I is and FBS football is.

1.) D-I includes both the FB and FC sub-divisions. D-I also inlcudes all 32 conferences which compete in the NCAA basketball tournament. So if the fee is increasing to the numbers stated above, it looks as if they are trying to prevent the rapid growth of D-I by other, lower, divisions like D-II, D-III, NAIA, etc.

2.) So the NCAA by-law 2010-100 has nothing what so ever to do with the FBS or BCS conferences as it pertains to football. Also, at this time it is not possible to create a D-I 'FBS' conference by joining like-minded 'FCS' schools given the current BCS by-laws.

3.) All 11 current FBS conferences are participating members of the BCS. There are 6 auto-qualifying conferences for the 5 BCS Bowls and 5 non-auto-qualifying conferences who must recieve an at-large bid to the BCS Bowls.

4.) No FBS conference is currently looking to add FCS schools other than the WAC.

5.) The door to entering the FBS/BCS is very narrow. The only way is through an invite from an FBS conference. I'm not sure if you can even go FBS indy anymore. The scheduling would be nearly impossible for a current FCS.

So until the BCS by-laws are amended, the only way to FBS status is through an FBS conference. And at this time the 'no vacancy' sign is hanging on the door.

This is what you're up against. Fact not fiction. Now get to work changing the by-laws if you are serious about moving up.

Right. I thought all of this was pretty clear from the last line of the quote.

(01-15-2011 11:03 AM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(01-15-2011 10:53 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(01-14-2011 10:50 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-14-2011 08:31 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I would rather keep hope that CUSA might get severely raided and that their leftovers would defect to the SBC. Of course, that's a long shot.

If Georgia State or UNC-Charlotte are winning national championships in the FCS by 2020, then I might not mind seeing them in the SBC. Until then, I wouldn't want to see them in the conference. Or Kennesaw State and Lamar for that matter... with all due respect.

You wont have to worry. None of those CAA or east coast teams mentioned hear will end up in the SBC. The rumblings for a new east coast conference have already started and not just from message board posters. The NCAA 2010-100 proposal that passed and saved the WAC autobid just cracked the door open a little further for a new conference.

I'd like ArkSt Fan to weigh in on this, but I thought the last provisions made for teams moving up, like needing an invite from an existing conference, ruled out the possibility of a new conference being formed entirely of teams moving up.

Link: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2...mert_N.htm
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Hadn't I just posted that?

(01-15-2011 06:30 PM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  Really? How so? This blurb about slowing down FBS growth was mentioned on our board:
Pricier neighborhood: The Division I Legislative Council approved new conditions for joining the highest-profile division, including a far steeper application fee expected to range from $900,000 to $1.3 million. Reclassifying schools now pay $15,000. The action, designed to stem the division's rapid growth, also requires a standing invitation from a D-I conference.

Right. I thought all of this was pretty clear from the last line of the quote.

Umm, looks to me like you're trying to prove an FBS point with a D-I quote. Anyways, a lot of the posters on multiple boards are confused about what the NCAA's amendment 2010-100 might have to do with FBS football. A.) Nothing.

I hear Chickapea State is starting a flag football team...sounds like a great prospect!

(01-15-2011 08:56 AM)SidJag Wrote:  

(01-14-2011 03:35 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  Is VCU planning football also? If so they would be considered, I'd think.

Try googling "VCU Football" for more info.

VCU is looking to purchase the city of Richmond's older stadium for use by its athletic department. The University or Richmond vacated that stadium after building a new stadium for its own use. VCU has seen the success of Old Dominion in the Tidewater region (sellouts) and has visions of duplicating their success in Richmond.


The Colonial (CAA) has an open invitation to non-football members for the next couple of years to start FCS football. VCU, George Mason and UNC-Wilmington have all supposedly expressed interest.

With the new NCAA rules that require an FCS school to gain an FBS league invite prior to move up, the CAA missed an opportunity to become an FBS conference. A number of its members have the resources (stadiums, enrollments, endowments) to give the MAC, Sun Belt, and new WAC a run for their money.

An FBS CAA league like this would have been good if given a few years:

UMass
Temple (from MAC)
Delaware
James Madison
Liberty (from Big South)
Old Dominion
Appy State (from Southern)
Charlotte
Ga State
Ga Southern (from Southern)
Jacksonville St (from OVC)

FIU and FAU are more natural fits in that league rather than as the Sun Belt is currently composed.

A couple of SUNY's, Stony Brook and Albany, also have FBS plans. Stony Brook, because of it's endowment and AAU status, is a school to watch - if the state of NY had allowed those SUNY's to offer athletic scholarships before 1980 instead of 1990, Stony Brook would be on par with USF or UConn by now and own Long Island.


The WAC could get really bold (or really hairbrained, depending upon your viewpoint), invite 7 or 8 east coast schools, form west coast and east coast divisions with a championship, and potentially regain some media attention again.

(01-16-2011 12:32 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-15-2011 08:56 AM)SidJag Wrote:  

(01-14-2011 03:35 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  Is VCU planning football also? If so they would be considered, I'd think.

Try googling "VCU Football" for more info.

VCU is looking to purchase the city of Richmond's older stadium for use by its athletic department. The University or Richmond vacated that stadium after building a new stadium for its own use. VCU has seen the success of Old Dominion in the Tidewater region (sellouts) and has visions of duplicating their success in Richmond.


The Colonial (CAA) has an open invitation to non-football members for the next couple of years to start FCS football. VCU, George Mason and UNC-Wilmington have all supposedly expressed interest.

With the new NCAA rules that require an FCS school to gain an FBS league invite prior to move up, the CAA missed an opportunity to become an FBS conference. A number of its members have the resources (stadiums, enrollments, endowments) to give the MAC, Sun Belt, and new WAC a run for their money.

An FBS CAA league like this would have been good if given a few years:

UMass
Temple (from MAC)
Delaware
James Madison
Liberty (from Big South)
Old Dominion
Appy State (from Southern)
Charlotte
Ga State
Ga Southern (from Southern)
Jacksonville St (from OVC)

FIU and FAU are more natural fits in that league rather than as the Sun Belt is currently composed.

A couple of SUNY's, Stony Brook and Albany, also have FBS plans. Stony Brook, because of it's endowment and AAU status, is a school to watch - if the state of NY had allowed those SUNY's to offer athletic scholarships before 1980 instead of 1990, Stony Brook would be on par with USF or UConn by now and own Long Island.


The WAC could get really bold (or really hairbrained, depending upon your viewpoint), invite 7 or 8 east coast schools, form west coast and east coast divisions with a championship, and potentially regain some media attention again.

Unlikely to happen as you stated, but I would love to see it. That conference would certainly make some noise on the field.

(01-16-2011 12:32 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-15-2011 08:56 AM)SidJag Wrote:  

(01-14-2011 03:35 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  Is VCU planning football also? If so they would be considered, I'd think.

Try googling "VCU Football" for more info.

VCU is looking to purchase the city of Richmond's older stadium for use by its athletic department. The University or Richmond vacated that stadium after building a new stadium for its own use. VCU has seen the success of Old Dominion in the Tidewater region (sellouts) and has visions of duplicating their success in Richmond.


The Colonial (CAA) has an open invitation to non-football members for the next couple of years to start FCS football. VCU, George Mason and UNC-Wilmington have all supposedly expressed interest.

With the new NCAA rules that require an FCS school to gain an FBS league invite prior to move up, the CAA missed an opportunity to become an FBS conference. A number of its members have the resources (stadiums, enrollments, endowments) to give the MAC, Sun Belt, and new WAC a run for their money.

An FBS CAA league like this would have been good if given a few years:

UMass
Temple (from MAC)
Delaware
James Madison
Liberty (from Big South)
Old Dominion
Appy State (from Southern)
Charlotte
Ga State
Ga Southern (from Southern)
Jacksonville St (from OVC)

FIU and FAU are more natural fits in that league rather than as the Sun Belt is currently composed.

A couple of SUNY's, Stony Brook and Albany, also have FBS plans. Stony Brook, because of it's endowment and AAU status, is a school to watch - if the state of NY had allowed those SUNY's to offer athletic scholarships before 1980 instead of 1990, Stony Brook would be on par with USF or UConn by now and own Long Island.


The WAC could get really bold (or really hairbrained, depending upon your viewpoint), invite 7 or 8 east coast schools, form west coast and east coast divisions with a championship, and potentially regain some media attention again.

FAU and FIU would never move to a conference composed of Former FCS teams....I dont care how many national championships and such those teams have a move from the SBC to that conference would be a step down no matter how you put it.

Same thing with Temple...Thats why North Texas has already turned down an offer from the WAC in November....Its becoming full of former FCS teams...

(01-13-2011 10:19 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  This arrangement and alignment will make the Sun Belt a steady and growing power in the College Football world.


SBC EAST

Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Georgia State
Kennesaw State
Middle Tennessee
North Carolina Charlotte
South Alabama
Troy

SBC WEST

Arkansas State
Lamar
Louisiana Tech
Louisiana-Lafayette
Louisiana-Monroe
North Texas
Texas San Antonio
Texas State
Western Kentucky

A nine game conference schedule with two out of conference games each year.

Seven divisional games and two inter-divisional games.
Plus a conference Championship game between division winners at the end of the season.

This arrangement cuts down on travel cost non football sports and maximizes revenues from football.

No. I like the make up of the conference now. I'd hope we leave it alone and work on improving our current programs. If schools should move out of the conference, then we could evaluate programs that might bring us back to our current numbers. I know USA will be moving up and bring our football playing numbers to 10. I'd be happy to stay at 10 unless 2 quality teams could be found to create a 12 team divisional conference. But the teams listed here are not on my list of schools I'd be interested in.

(01-15-2011 11:50 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(01-15-2011 12:17 AM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  Really? How so? This blurb about slowing down FBS growth was mentioned on our board:
Pricier neighborhood: The Division I Legislative Council approved new conditions for joining the highest-profile division, including a far steeper application fee expected to range from $900,000 to $1.3 million. Reclassifying schools now pay $15,000. The action, designed to stem the division's rapid growth, also requires a standing invitation from a D-I conference.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2...mert_N.htm

Guys, we have to keep a clear distinction between what D-I is and FBS football is.

1.) D-I includes both the FB and FC sub-divisions. D-I also inlcudes all 32 conferences which compete in the NCAA basketball tournament. So if the fee is increasing to the numbers stated above, it looks as if they are trying to prevent the rapid growth of D-I by other, lower, divisions like D-II, D-III, NAIA, etc.

2.) So the NCAA by-law 2010-100 has nothing what so ever to do with the FBS or BCS conferences as it pertains to football. Also, at this time it is not possible to create a D-I 'FBS' conference by joining like-minded 'FCS' schools given the current BCS by-laws.

3.) All 11 current FBS conferences are participating members of the BCS. There are 6 auto-qualifying conferences for the 5 BCS Bowls and 5 non-auto-qualifying conferences who must recieve an at-large bid to the BCS Bowls.

4.) No FBS conference is currently looking to add FCS schools other than the WAC.

5.) The door to entering the FBS/BCS is very narrow. The only way is through an invite from an FBS conference. I'm not sure if you can even go FBS indy anymore. The scheduling would be nearly impossible for a current FCS.

So until the BCS by-laws are amended, the only way to FBS status is through an FBS conference. And at this time the 'no vacancy' sign is hanging on the door.

This is what you're up against. Fact not fiction. Now get to work changing the by-laws if you are serious about moving up.

Thanks for the clarification.