MU looked good tonight against a gambling and quick MTSU defense.
Troy and FIU with good wins, a pretty good bowl season on your part.

MAC: 2-2, NIU over Fresno. MU over MTSU.
SBC:2-1, Troy over Ohio. FIU over Toledo.

MAC1 defeated SBC 3.
MAC2 defeated WAC4.
MAC3 lost to SBC1.
MAC4 lost to SBC1.

Congrats to Miami OH. Good team. Just a little too much for my Blue Raiders.

I think if the match ups were different the MAC would have done a little better. But I will not complain. Our 3 and 4 teams did not do as as well as expected. I still cannot get over MU's team this year. They went from 1-11 to 10-4. They look like they did when Rothlisburger was there.

Not sure Miami looked all that good, well, not better than MT (minus Dasher's INTs).

Glad he's gone.

I grew up a GT fan and feel the same now as I did when Reggie Ball graduated while I was in HS. I'm relieved.

a Loss is a Loss. And it ended up a double didget loss. I think that claim would make more sense for Toledo... FIU won by 2 on the last play of the game. MTSU gave the game via INT to Miami. Just take it as it is, thats what SBC fans have been saying to us all month. Still 2-1 was great.

(01-06-2011 11:35 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I think if the match ups were different the MAC would have done a little better. But I will not complain. Our 3 and 4 teams did not do as as well as expected. I still cannot get over MU's team this year. They went from 1-11 to 10-4. They look like they did when Rothlisburger was there.

Actually, if the matchups were different, I think the Sun Belt coulda' done better. For instance, if we put MTSU against Ohio and Troy against Miami, I think the Sun Belt would've gone 3-0 for sure.

No because then NIU still wouldnt get a game.... That hurts the MAC. Why would you put the 1 3 and 4 against the 1 2 and 3.

(01-06-2011 11:58 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  No because then NIU still wouldnt get a game.... That hurts the MAC. Why would you put the 1 3 and 4 against the 1 2 and 3.

Because believe it or not, that's how it ALMOST happened FOR REAL!!! The MAC wasn't going to allow Northern Illinois (the team that should have won the MAC title game) to face a Sun Belt team. Therefore, they are still sent to Boise and the other pairings go as I had theorized. I'm not just throwing teams in a bucket and pulling out names or pairing them the way I saw gives the SBC the best chance to go 3-0. I saw it the way Wright Waters saw it too before it was decided that Troy would go to New Orleans and MTSU would go to Mobile.

I dont care about what almost happened. Fairly comparing would be the MAC1 vs. SB1, MAC2 vs. SBC2, etc. It didn't happen thats fine. So for comparison of conferances, it cannot be determained.

(01-06-2011 11:56 PM)TennesseeBoyintheRockies Wrote:  

(01-06-2011 11:35 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I think if the match ups were different the MAC would have done a little better. But I will not complain. Our 3 and 4 teams did not do as as well as expected. I still cannot get over MU's team this year. They went from 1-11 to 10-4. They look like they did when Rothlisburger was there.

Actually, if the matchups were different, I think the Sun Belt coulda' done better. For instance, if we put MTSU against Ohio and Troy against Miami, I think the Sun Belt would've gone 3-0 for sure.

If you are playing the what if game, then you have to throw Temples name into the mix. Easily could have been more competitive than Ohio and picked a win with the right match-up. Still cannot believe they got left out.

(01-07-2011 12:08 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I dont care about what almost happened. Fairly comparing would be the MAC1 vs. SB1, MAC2 vs. SBC2, etc. It didn't happen thats fine. So for comparison of conferances, it cannot be determained.

That's obvious. "Reasoning" is not your strong suit, and neither is "realism."

Dude I am not arguing what could have happened. I am arguing that it is not a fair comparison if the same level of team played eachother from each Conferance like I said, and you keep ignoring. MAC1 vs. SBC1, MAC2 vs. SBC2, MAC3 vs. SBC3. It's not that hard. I realize the other scenario almost happened but I am not arguing that, I am not sure why you are?

okay Reason: NIU killed Toledo and is a much better team would bet FIU. ... MAC win
MU who beat MTSU would play Troy in a competitive game. ... 50-50
And Toledo would play MTSU, who got beat by Miami by 14. ... MAC win, FIU played much better against Toledo than they did against MTSU, and UT played a very poor 2nd half in which they dominated the first. UT's D is better than Miami's they would have done just as well and or better against MTSU. 5th in turnover Margin D for Toledo would have definantly helped if they played MTSU. OU would then play.... FAU? Temple would play... Ark State? and WMU would play... WKU? I am sorry we have 3 more that are bowl eligible so then it gets complicated.

the MAC 1 beat the 2, and 4 and 5
the MAC 2 beat the 3 and 5 and 6
The MAC 3 beat the 4, and 6
The MAC4, beat the MAC 5.

The SBC1 beat the SBC1
The SBC3 beat the SBC1
The SBC1 beat the SBC3

You could argue that the top 3 are a lot closer in compition in the SBC because they kind of all beat eachother that
s why scheduling is hard to compare conferances. Where the MAC 1 beat everyone under them, The MAC2 beat everyone underneath them, same with the 3 and 4. We can put our teams in order. To do it farely the only thing the SBC would have to decide is, who is the Real SBC best team. Troy or FIU. They played eachother, but MTSU beat FIU.

Why are you having this argument on a SBC board when it's all MAC fans that are doing the talking?

There's no telling what would have happened. MT had the ability to any of the four MAC teams that were bowling, it all comes down to which Dasher shows up, with the Dasher from the FAU and ULM game we would beat any team in the MAC, unfortunately that was rarely the Dasher we got this year. If Dasher plays the second half like he did the first, that game tonight would have come down to the wire.

Truthfully, he didn't even need to play much better, he just needed to know how to throw the ball away. but unfortunately the only thing Dasher knows how to throw away is his career.

After the crap year the 'Belt had going 2-1 in our first year of having 3 bowl teams is more then acceptable.

Congrats to Miami they took advantage of MTSU's mistakes.

all this "what if" play is a bunch of crap, because any given day any team has a chance to win. And just because team A beat team B and team C beat team A, does not mean team C WILL beat team B.

the games where picked, who won is who won
SBC went 2-1 vs the Mac
of course the MAC went 2-2 overall
what does that mean... probably nothing... the MAC will defend the MAC, the SBC will defend the SBC... it will be a vicious circle.

Anyone could play "what ifs", games are won on the field not message boards!

Yeah congrats to the MAC Champion for defeating the Belt's worst bowl team, 6-6 MTSU. I hope you guys are proud of your accompishment.

And for the Toledo fan who keeps making excuses for Ohio...MTSU was our Ohio and your Champ did not look very impressive against them. He threw 5 INTs to give the Red Hawks the game. Geeze.

Let's stop the argument MAC vs SBC. We need peace and to unite against the BCS!. Us 'Non-AQ' conferences need to make a strong push with strong teams into the BCS, because in my opinion the only way it will die is to get a 'Non AQ' in the title game and 2 others into other BCS games. We need to get in these games and split the money amongst the "Little Sisters of the Poor" and make the 'strong' conferences feel left out for once.