(12-30-2010 01:11 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  Eager Eagle does do a good job of reading Tech's on-line audit. Outside of that, he's a fabricator and misleader. And slightly insane.

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Like I said, they cant refute what I post therefore resort to personal attacks. Why doesnt T-Won provide an example of where I fabricated or quoted misleading information, respond with facts rather than throwing out generalities.
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I recently showed that the state of Louisiana TOPS program does not pay for ULL, ULM or La Tech's extra fees. Despite your constant claims that the state is paying for large portions of each schools athletic budget. These fees are actually being paid for by the student.

I have refuted so many of your so-called facts that I cannot remember them all. You just go into hiding and wait until that thread is gone and try to start all over.
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I NEVER said the TOPS program pays the student fees. That program pays student tuition but is not quiet enough now due to recent tuition increases. I STILL maintain the state pays for more than half the La Tech athletic budget as explained in the state auditors reports. Students pay fees for a number of items but DO NOT PAY ATHLETIC FEES, that is specifically forbidden bu Board of Regents. The reason you cant remember what you refuted is because you were unable to refute any.
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This has been your main point the past few years. Nobody will refute this because, to my knowledge, it is true. However, La Tech has no control over this situation. You should be on a Louisiana political forum arguing for legislation to allow student fees to pay for athletics.... like all other states do. That's how other schools fund their athletic programs, but Louisiana Board of Regents will not allow it. They choose to take taxpayer money and send to Louisiana universities. La Tech did not make this law... your beef is not with La Tech. I understand you don't want your tax money going to La Tech. But La Tech is not at fault and they can do nothing to change the situation. Even if Tech quadrupled its private funding, we would still get the same amount from the state.

(12-30-2010 02:22 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(12-30-2010 01:11 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  Eager Eagle does do a good job of reading Tech's on-line audit. Outside of that, he's a fabricator and misleader. And slightly insane.

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Like I said, they cant refute what I post therefore resort to personal attacks. Why doesnt T-Won provide an example of where I fabricated or quoted misleading information, respond with facts rather than throwing out generalities.

I recently showed that the state of Louisiana TOPS program does not pay for ULL, ULM or La Tech's extra fees. Despite your constant claims that the state is paying for large portions of each schools athletic budget. These fees are actually being paid for by the student.

I have refuted so many of your so-called facts that I cannot remember them all. You just go into hiding and wait until that thread is gone and try to start all over.
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I NEVER said the TOPS program pays the student fees. That program pays student tuition but is not quiet enough now due to recent tuition increases. I STILL maintain the state pays for more than half the La Tech athletic budget as explained in the state auditors reports. Students pay fees for a number of items but DO NOT PAY ATHLETIC FEES, that is specifically forbidden bu Board of Regents. The reason you cant remember what you refuted is because you were unable to refute any.
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This has been your main point the past few years. Nobody will refute this because, to my knowledge, it is true. However, La Tech has no control over this situation. You should be on a Louisiana political forum arguing for legislation to allow student fees to pay for athletics.... like all other states do. That's how other schools fund their athletic programs, but Louisiana Board of Regents will not allow it. They choose to take taxpayer money and send to Louisiana universities. La Tech did not make this law... your beef is not with La Tech. I understand you don't want your tax money going to La Tech. But La Tech is not at fault and they can do nothing to change the situation. Even if Tech quadrupled its private funding, we would still get the same amount from the state.
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yeah you can refute it or you can just say "Shut Up Velton". See how easy that is.

I recently showed that the state of Louisiana TOPS program does not pay for ULL, ULM or La Tech's extra fees. Despite your constant claims that the state is paying for large portions of each schools athletic budget. These fees are actually being paid for by the student.

I have refuted so many of your so-called facts that I cannot remember them all. You just go into hiding and wait until that thread is gone and try to start all over.
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I NEVER said the TOPS program pays the student fees. That program pays student tuition but is not quiet enough now due to recent tuition increases. I STILL maintain the state pays for more than half the La Tech athletic budget as explained in the state auditors reports. Students pay fees for a number of items but DO NOT PAY ATHLETIC FEES, that is specifically forbidden bu Board of Regents. The reason you cant remember what you refuted is because you were unable to refute any.
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This has been your main point the past few years. Nobody will refute this because, to my knowledge, it is true. However, La Tech has no control over this situation. You should be on a Louisiana political forum arguing for legislation to allow student fees to pay for athletics.... like all other states do. That's how other schools fund their athletic programs, but Louisiana Board of Regents will not allow it. They choose to take taxpayer money and send to Louisiana universities. La Tech did not make this law... your beef is not with La Tech. I understand you don't want your tax money going to La Tech. But La Tech is not at fault and they can do nothing to change the situation. Even if Tech quadrupled its private funding, we would still get the same amount from the state.
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yeah you can refute it or you can just say "Shut Up Velton". See how easy that is.
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This is one of my main beefs which applies not only to La Tech but ULL, ULM, and other state regional schools. Since they cant charge a student athletic fee then WHY NOT CHARGE THE STUDENTS FOR TICKETS LIKE LSU does. The students get a free ride, no athletic fee and no ticket charge. Tech better be glad though that it is handled like it is. Last audited statement showed slightly over $8million general fund direct or indirect transfers in order to cover the $16 mil budget. If Tech was like usm, for example, you would have charged the 8,000 or so students some $390. each for total of just over $3million. Thats $5 million less than present set up and your program would fold so dont go wishing for student fees rather than taxpayer funds.

(12-30-2010 04:04 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  This is one of my main beefs which applies not only to La Tech but ULL, ULM, and other state regional schools. Since they cant charge a student athletic fee then WHY NOT CHARGE THE STUDENTS FOR TICKETS LIKE LSU does. The students get a free ride, no athletic fee and no ticket charge. Tech better be glad though that it is handled like it is. Last audited statement showed slightly over $8million general fund direct or indirect transfers in order to cover the $16 mil budget. If Tech was like usm, for example, you would have charged the 8,000 or so students some $390. each for total of just over $3million. Thats $5 million less than present set up and your program would fold so dont go wishing for student fees rather than taxpayer funds.

It's supply and demand EE. There is a big demand for LSU tickets, so they charge the students for admission. That would be money lost by the university to let students in free when the public could buy their tickets for $100 (or whatever).

I'm sure if the state approved student fees to fund athletics, they would also contribute the difference in the loss. Instead of the state giving 8 Million, they would only give 5 Million and the students would cover the other 3 million.

(12-30-2010 01:11 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  Eager Eagle does do a good job of reading Tech's on-line audit. Outside of that, he's a fabricator and misleader. And slightly insane.

Like I said, they cant refute what I post therefore resort to personal attacks. Why doesnt T-Won provide an example of where I fabricated or quoted misleading information, respond with facts rather than throwing out generalities.

I recently showed that the state of Louisiana TOPS program does not pay for ULL, ULM or La Tech's extra fees. Despite your constant claims that the state is paying for large portions of each schools athletic budget. These fees are actually being paid for by the student.

I have refuted so many of your so-called facts that I cannot remember them all. You just go into hiding and wait until that thread is gone and try to start all over.
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I NEVER said the TOPS program pays the student fees. That program pays student tuition but is not quiet enough now due to recent tuition increases. I STILL maintain the state pays for more than half the La Tech athletic budget as explained in the state auditors reports. Students pay fees for a number of items but DO NOT PAY ATHLETIC FEES, that is specifically forbidden bu Board of Regents. The reason you cant remember what you refuted is because you were unable to refute any.
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So when proven wrong, you change your arguement? Classic ee.

(12-31-2010 09:08 AM)dchi72 Wrote:  

(12-30-2010 01:11 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  Eager Eagle does do a good job of reading Tech's on-line audit. Outside of that, he's a fabricator and misleader. And slightly insane.

Like I said, they cant refute what I post therefore resort to personal attacks. Why doesnt T-Won provide an example of where I fabricated or quoted misleading information, respond with facts rather than throwing out generalities.

I recently showed that the state of Louisiana TOPS program does not pay for ULL, ULM or La Tech's extra fees. Despite your constant claims that the state is paying for large portions of each schools athletic budget. These fees are actually being paid for by the student.

I have refuted so many of your so-called facts that I cannot remember them all. You just go into hiding and wait until that thread is gone and try to start all over.

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I NEVER said the TOPS program pays the student fees. That program pays student tuition but is not quiet enough now due to recent tuition increases. I STILL maintain the state pays for more than half the La Tech athletic budget as explained in the state auditors reports. Students pay fees for a number of items but DO NOT PAY ATHLETIC FEES, that is specifically forbidden bu Board of Regents. The reason you cant remember what you refuted is because you were unable to refute any.
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So when proven wrong, you change your arguement? Classic ee.
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No, I havent changed an argument. Again, tell me where I have been proven wrong. You sound like a man telling us there is a fire out there but never stating its location.

Learn how to properly use the quote function, please.

HEY MODS. Is it time to lock this thread ? It's just turned into one of those Louisiana pissin' contest.

(12-31-2010 12:00 PM)MG61 Wrote:  HEY MODS. Is it time to lock this thread ? It's just turned into one of those Louisiana pissin' contest.

I second the motion!

La Tech students get free tuition, they dont pay an athletic fee, and tickets are free-basically a free ride all the way. Why dont you charge them for tickets? Every LSU student has to buy a ticket to their games and that is how LSU avoids the need to stick it to the taxpayers.
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Tech students get free tuition? You really are off the deep end. I know a lot of Tech students that are appearantly getting ripped off.

Here another little stubborn fact. The state scholarship program, aka TOPS, that you hate so much only pays $1,100 for the fall quarter. Full time tuition at Tech is $1,500. So much for the supposed free ride.

Oh Snap! Another stubborn little fact:

"Fees that are not paid by TOPS include: the Technology Fee authorized by Act 1450 of the 1997 legislative session, the Academic Excellence Fees, various Facilities and Use Fees and the Operational Fees added by Act 788 of the 2004 legislative session, and any other fees added by the institution that are not authorized by the legislature to be paid by TOPS."
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My bad. I am man enough to admit it when I have reported incorrectly. I should have said students graduating from high schools in LOUISIANA are provided FREE tuition. I am sure that La Tech, like other universities, have students enrolled from out of state and they are not elegible for the free tuition. I did not say or imply that students arent charged various fees above and beyond tuition but they pale in amount as compared to tuition which is the biggie. These fees, books, and lunch money is about all that most Tech students need since most live off campus and commute.

Proof


TOPS does not provide anyone a free ride, including Louisiana residents.