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RE: Buying tickets matter - FIU embarrassing sales
(12-17-2010 03:52 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(12-17-2010 03:42 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(12-17-2010 03:35 PM)TennesseeBoyintheRockies Wrote:  Now, if FIU was invited to New Orleans or Mobile and we saw the same figures on ticket sales, then FIU would have a hard time covering up its struggles to attract fans to a bowl game. That would be a huge PR blow to Florida International....

That's pretty much a moot point now isn't it TBR.

A fairer comparison would be who would travel better to a bowl in St. Pete; FIU or MTSU. Starting to see the issue here?

p.s. even then it wouldn't really be that fair a comparison as MTSU would be heading south in the winter instead of north.

How would how both teams travel to St. Pete be a better comparison? Murfreesboro is over twice as far from St. Pete.

I think FIUFan was just pointing out how ridiculous it is to throw out comparisons like that without considerations of closeness of the venue relative to each fan base, hence why some were suggesting ULM as a shoe in for NO. ULM has never been to a bowl game (so was an unknown quantity) but the proximity suggested the potential for a good turnout. Similarly, it would be expected that a St. Pete would choose FIU over MTSU, regardless of history.
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(12-17-2010 03:52 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(12-17-2010 03:42 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(12-17-2010 03:35 PM)TennesseeBoyintheRockies Wrote:  Now, if FIU was invited to New Orleans or Mobile and we saw the same figures on ticket sales, then FIU would have a hard time covering up its struggles to attract fans to a bowl game. That would be a huge PR blow to Florida International....
That's pretty much a moot point now isn't it TBR.
A fairer comparison would be who would travel better to a bowl in St. Pete; FIU or MTSU. Starting to see the issue here?
p.s. even then it wouldn't really be that fair a comparison as MTSU would be heading south in the winter instead of north.
How would how both teams travel to St. Pete be a better comparison? Murfreesboro is over twice as far from St. Pete.

I think it's a "fairer" comparison than what's going on now, i.e. FIU to Detroit compared to Troy to N.O. or MTSU to Mobile. You guys are able to drive to your destinations; it takes us 8 hours to get out of the state. St. Pete is a reasonable drive (as is MTSU to Mobile I assume).

You see that comparing FIU going to Detroit the day after Christmas to the other Sun Belt schools taking a 4 hour road-trip is like comparing apple to oranges.
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(12-17-2010 04:03 PM)JohnnyRed Wrote:  while a majority of the FIU fans feel screwed and want to complain about it.

We have passed the whinning stage at least a week ago. Now we are trying to see how best to support our school in this bowl. Mascot will be going, cheerleaders will be going and Dazzlers will be in attendance.

Nice vid by the way.
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(12-17-2010 04:09 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(12-17-2010 03:52 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(12-17-2010 03:42 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(12-17-2010 03:35 PM)TennesseeBoyintheRockies Wrote:  Now, if FIU was invited to New Orleans or Mobile and we saw the same figures on ticket sales, then FIU would have a hard time covering up its struggles to attract fans to a bowl game. That would be a huge PR blow to Florida International....
That's pretty much a moot point now isn't it TBR.
A fairer comparison would be who would travel better to a bowl in St. Pete; FIU or MTSU. Starting to see the issue here?
p.s. even then it wouldn't really be that fair a comparison as MTSU would be heading south in the winter instead of north.
How would how both teams travel to St. Pete be a better comparison? Murfreesboro is over twice as far from St. Pete.

I think it's a "fairer" comparison than what's going on now, i.e. FIU to Detroit compared to Troy to N.O. or MTSU to Mobile. You guys are able to drive to your destinations; it takes us 8 hours to get out of the state. St. Pete is a reasonable drive (as is MTSU to Mobile I assume).

You see that comparing FIU going to Detroit the day after Christmas to the other Sun Belt schools taking a 4 hour road-trip is like comparing apple to oranges.

Is it unfair to just compare FIU to the other SBC schools that have gone to Detroit? Sure Murfreesboro is closer, but it was still a 12 hour drive the day after Christmas.
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(12-17-2010 04:09 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  I think it's a "fairer" comparison than what's going on now, i.e. FIU to Detroit compared to Troy to N.O. or MTSU to Mobile. You guys are able to drive to your destinations; it takes us 8 hours to get out of the state. St. Pete is a reasonable drive (as is MTSU to Mobile I assume).

You see that comparing FIU going to Detroit the day after Christmas to the other Sun Belt schools taking a 4 hour road-trip is like comparing apple to oranges.

Honestly, seeing how Middle Tennessee State fans have done in ticket sales with their previous bowl experiences, I'm not prepared to agree with the belief that FIU would sell more tickets or be invited to a St. Petersburg bowl over a Middle Tennessee State.

The bowl system is a business, and the Beef O' Brady's St. Petersburg Bowl has a $1 million payout which means there is more tickets there allotted to each participating school and a potential for more money to be lost by conferences whose members don't do well in selling tickets.
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(12-17-2010 04:15 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  
(12-17-2010 04:03 PM)JohnnyRed Wrote:  while a majority of the FIU fans feel screwed and want to complain about it.

We have passed the whinning stage at least a week ago. Now we are trying to see how best to support our school in this bowl. Mascot will be going, cheerleaders will be going and Dazzlers will be in attendance.

Nice vid by the way.

You're right, I was just talking about how similar the situations are and that I think FIU fans should be there or at least buy the tickets. I remember how excited I was that MT was going to our first ever bowl game, I didn't care where it was.
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(12-17-2010 04:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Is it unfair to just compare FIU to the other SBC schools that have gone to Detroit? Sure Murfreesboro is closer, but it was still a 12 hour drive the day after Christmas.

Not to be arguementative but Google Maps says its more like a 9 hour drive from M'boro to Detroit (and that's at 65mph and nobody does that on the open road, so more like 8), it's probably like driving from Miami to Tallahassee. Still a long way, but doable.

Just pointing out that you can't compare $500 plane tickets to road-trips that can be done in < 8 hours.

By the way, Toledo is basically a long commute to Detroit (~ one hour).
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(12-17-2010 04:08 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  
(12-17-2010 03:52 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(12-17-2010 03:42 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(12-17-2010 03:35 PM)TennesseeBoyintheRockies Wrote:  Now, if FIU was invited to New Orleans or Mobile and we saw the same figures on ticket sales, then FIU would have a hard time covering up its struggles to attract fans to a bowl game. That would be a huge PR blow to Florida International....

That's pretty much a moot point now isn't it TBR.

A fairer comparison would be who would travel better to a bowl in St. Pete; FIU or MTSU. Starting to see the issue here?

p.s. even then it wouldn't really be that fair a comparison as MTSU would be heading south in the winter instead of north.

How would how both teams travel to St. Pete be a better comparison? Murfreesboro is over twice as far from St. Pete.

I think FIUFan was just pointing out how ridiculous it is to throw out comparisons like that without considerations of closeness of the venue relative to each fan base, hence why some were suggesting ULM as a shoe in for NO. ULM has never been to a bowl game (so was an unknown quantity) but the proximity suggested the potential for a good turnout. Similarly, it would be expected that a St. Pete would choose FIU over MTSU, regardless of history.

+1. That's the point. I have no doubts whatsoever that if FIU would have been sent to either of the other 2 SBC bowls, it would have sent many more fans to the game, however still not enough as compared to the more established fan bases of Troy and MTSU. My group had already 8 people, including myself, waiting for that night to make the reservation to go to New Orleans, and some more were evaluating joining us. Now? No one is going to Detroit, and other than myself no one else has donated or bought tickets.
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(12-17-2010 04:02 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  FIU must make it a priority to get it's student body more involved . That is a huge asset that many in the SBC do not have. How many students are enrolled currently at FIU ?

Kajun, FIU's Fall 2010 enrollment was over 42,000 students. FIU will add at least 2,000 students per year now for the next decade, acording to the Board of Trustees approval a couple of weeks ago. FIU is expected to have 53,000 students in 2015, and about 62,000 students in 2020 according to new projections.
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(12-17-2010 04:28 PM)FIUFanatic Wrote:  +1. That's the point. I have no doubts whatsoever that if FIU would have been sent to either of the other 2 SBC bowls, it would have sent many more fans to the game, however still not enough as compared to the more established fan bases of Troy and MTSU. My group had already 8 people, including myself, waiting for that night to make the reservation to go to New Orleans, and some more were evaluating joining us. Now? No one is going to Detroit, and other than myself no one else has donated or bought tickets.

You should consider asking your friends to buy a ticket from the FIU ticket office. Every little bit helps.
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(12-17-2010 04:31 PM)FIUFanatic Wrote:  
(12-17-2010 04:02 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  FIU must make it a priority to get it's student body more involved . That is a huge asset that many in the SBC do not have. How many students are enrolled currently at FIU ?

Kajun, FIU's Fall 2010 enrollment was over 42,000 students. FIU will add at least 2,000 students per year now for the next decade, acording to the Board of Trustees approval a couple of weeks ago. FIU is expected to have 53,000 students in 2015, and about 62,000 students in 2020 according to new projections.

I think they did a fairly good job this semester in trying to get the students involved (a points program to encourage students to attend, including double points for lower profile sports, greeks more involved). Still a lot more to be done.
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Thanks for the advice, and so far no go.

But the point is that, contrary to your thoughts, there would be a major difference percentage wise, in my group about going (0 vs 8-12) and tickets purchased (2 vs 10-14). I don't feel prepared to extrapolate these numbers in the same ratios it happened in my group, but it's evident to me that there would be noticeably more tickets sold to New Orleans than to Detroit the day after
Christmas. Now, in St. Pete, I would venture to say tons of students would have been able to make the trip as well as local members of alumni, therefore a lot more fans than to any of the other bowls would make its way to a bowl game within 4 and a half driving distance, rather than 13 hours driving distance to New Orleans.

But hey, who are we to see the future?
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At the very least, it's building for the future. For the most part, if the students don't come out now, they won't come when they are alumni = $$$$. Get them hooked in now. Easier said than done, I know. We have troubles in those areas, as well.
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Check out this thread and you might be surprised at how few tickets major programs sell to some major bowls, such as UGA (3,500 to Liberty), UConn (2,000 to Fiesta) and or VaTech (6,000 to Orange) ...

http://gotroytrojans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23219
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(12-17-2010 02:36 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  You'll be hard pressed to find many MT fans that didn't have a blast in Detroit in 2006.

As someone who spends half his life in Detroit for work, tell me exactly other that seeing your Raiders play in the game did you find fun about Detroit? Was it the front row seats to the many stabbings in downtown Greek town? Was it the fireworks display? Oops sorry that was the burning down of one more abandoned house. Was it the balmy sunny beaches. Give me a break. Detroit is a dump and it is a sports town only to the people the actually care about their sports teams. Admittedly thats alot but if you aren't pulling for a Detroit team, there is no reason to even go down there. It is a scary place. I think it is great that FIU made a bowl. Congrats! but I don't blame their fans one bit for not going up there.
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(12-18-2010 12:02 AM)BMarkey Wrote:  Check out this thread and you might be surprised at how few tickets major programs sell to some major bowls, such as UGA (3,500 to Liberty), UConn (2,000 to Fiesta) and or VaTech (6,000 to Orange) ...

http://gotroytrojans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23219
Gee I guess the 12k La Tech sold to the Indy bowl wasn't that bad afterall. The bottom line is this. With the economy the way it is, if your team isn't somewhat in driving distance, you just aren't going to see alot of people paying money to fly anywhere when they can watch it on TV with thier families.Especially Detroit.
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(12-18-2010 12:47 AM)theATLDawg Wrote:  Gee I guess the 12k La Tech sold to the Indy bowl wasn't that bad afterall. The bottom line is this. With the economy the way it is, if your team isn't somewhat in driving distance, you just aren't going to see alot of people paying money to fly anywhere when they can watch it on TV with thier families.Especially Detroit.

I would venture to say that 12,000 should be an obtainable number for any program with a bowl game in as close proximity as Shreveport is to Ruston. Isn't that where Louisiana Tech is hosting BYU next year?
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(12-18-2010 12:42 AM)theATLDawg Wrote:  
(12-17-2010 02:36 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  You'll be hard pressed to find many MT fans that didn't have a blast in Detroit in 2006.

As someone who spends half his life in Detroit for work, tell me exactly other that seeing your Raiders play in the game did you find fun about Detroit? Was it the front row seats to the many stabbings in downtown Greek town? Was it the fireworks display? Oops sorry that was the burning down of one more abandoned house. Was it the balmy sunny beaches. Give me a break. Detroit is a dump and it is a sports town only to the people the actually care about their sports teams. Admittedly thats alot but if you aren't pulling for a Detroit team, there is no reason to even go down there. It is a scary place. I think it is great that FIU made a bowl. Congrats! but I don't blame their fans one bit for not going up there.

Detroit was great. Our hotel was beautiful. The casino was nice, not as nice as some I've been to, but nicer than others(especially the one I stopped in at in St. Louis) and we bar hopped before and after the game, all the bars were nice and Ford Field was an incredible venue. I never really felt like I was in any real danger, no moreso than I've ever felt in Atlanta or Nashville and I thought St. Louis felt more dangerous. As someone who was born and raised in(and has now returned to) the Atlanta area, I was actually jealous of the sporting set up in Detroit. I'm a huge fan of all Atlanta sports, but the Ted is in the middle of nowhere, the Dome is nice, but aging and while it's closer to stuff than the Ted is, it's still somewhat isolated. Phillips is the only great venue we have. I loved(and am insanely jealous of)how Comerica Park and Ford Field sit side by side and both are right in the middle of the city, with dozens of bars within walking distance.

There are certainly more desirable places to spend bowl season or a vacation than Detroit, but I still loved my trip to Detroit and think the city's bad reputation is totally overblown, but whatever you say...
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(12-17-2010 04:27 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(12-17-2010 04:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Is it unfair to just compare FIU to the other SBC schools that have gone to Detroit? Sure Murfreesboro is closer, but it was still a 12 hour drive the day after Christmas.

Not to be arguementative but Google Maps says its more like a 9 hour drive from M'boro to Detroit (and that's at 65mph and nobody does that on the open road, so more like 8), it's probably like driving from Miami to Tallahassee. Still a long way, but doable.

Just pointing out that you can't compare $500 plane tickets to road-trips that can be done in < 8 hours.

By the way, Toledo is basically a long commute to Detroit (~ one hour).

Well the charter bus ride I took was nearly 12 hours, but whether it's 12 or 8 hours, it's still a haul. If it weren't the day after Christmas, I think you might have an argument, if it were some random Saturday in late December or early January, than yes, Detroit would be significantly easier to make from Murfreesboro than Miami, however, the day after Christmas and 8 or 9 hour drive is pretty tough to make. I'd venture a guess that 90% of our fans that traveled flew and flying from Nashville can't be that much cheaper than flying from Miami. I only know a few people that drove, other than the roughly 100 students that went on the SGA sponsored bus trip.
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(12-18-2010 12:47 AM)theATLDawg Wrote:  
(12-18-2010 12:02 AM)BMarkey Wrote:  Check out this thread and you might be surprised at how few tickets major programs sell to some major bowls, such as UGA (3,500 to Liberty), UConn (2,000 to Fiesta) and or VaTech (6,000 to Orange) ...

http://gotroytrojans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23219
Gee I guess the 12k La Tech sold to the Indy bowl wasn't that bad afterall. The bottom line is this. With the economy the way it is, if your team isn't somewhat in driving distance, you just aren't going to see alot of people paying money to fly anywhere when they can watch it on TV with thier families.Especially Detroit.

If MT ever somehow found ourselves in the Music City bowl, I'd definitely be disappointed if we only took 12,000.
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