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Mark Cuban for President
Mark Cuban exploring BCS alternative

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba/new...id=5924399

"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."

It takes money to beat money.
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RE: Mark Cuban for President
Cuban is off to a terrible start.

Quote:"The only thing that's kept them from doing it is a lack of capital, which I can deal with.

No, lack of capital has NEVER been the issue. A few phone calls to the networks and that is taken care of.

He thinks dangling a fat check will do it? Proven sports marketing company offered contract for just a playoff that was more than double the entire take of all bowls.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/70454...-work.html

Quote:"Say, 'Look, I'm going to give you X amount every five years. In exchange, you say if you're picked for the playoff system, you'll go.' "

No that will be an annual payment. College athletic departments work on a simple principle. Spend every unrestricted nickle you get as fast as you get and then borrow some.

Quote:It's an inefficient business where there's obviously a better way of doing it,"
They aren't worried about efficiency. If they were worried about efficiency they sure as hell aren't going to let some dot-com billionaire sit down at the table with them as a business parter and take a cut for setting up the deals they already know how to set-up. The Big 10 knows how to start a network from scratch and get it into more households than Cuban has done with his network. Every conference has negotiated multi-million dollar deals. One reason the BCS is working is because it has very low overhead. Somewhere on the order of 98% of all BCS revenue is distributed to members. I'm guessing Cuban isn't going to be able to make this a profitable investment if he's sending 98% of all revenue to the schools.

Cuban has already failed because he fails to understand the issue.

The issue is the presidents maintain very little control of top athletic programs as it is. Get in a fight with the AD at Texas, Ohio State, or LSU and chances are pretty decent that the AD is going to win. They don't want Mark Cuban pumping another $375 million into the system.

That's really not very much money. $375 million with a piece going to ever school and big schools taking more is maybe $15 million more for Texas. The Longhorn Network is supposed to produce $15 million a year. If you are Texas or Arkansas State for that matter, which is more valuable: $15 million that only you get? Or $15 million that you and your competitors get? Texas gains nothing if TAMU and OU are getting the same increase as you are.

Remember that the presidents don't just answer to fans. They answer to students, faculty, accrediting boards, and often state government. In an era where faculty is being told don't make copies because we can't afford copy paper, or are having their pay frozen, or getting nominal raises that don't keep pace with the increase in their health insurance premiums and increases in co-pays and deductibles and students are being hit with tuition and fee increases and state government is saying we don't have any more dollars for you and are going to give you fewer dollars, walking out smiling and announcing a fat cash windfall for the athletic department is not going to be a successful press conference.

Until you find a way to cap spending on athletics in a legal manner that isn't the fault of the presidents and excess athletic revenue flows over to support the university, talk of a playoff is wasted effort.

If Mark Cuban had said, "Here's my idea. I want to start a joint venture with the colleges to have a playoff. Fair play and amateurism are important to me so no one can participate unless they "purchase" a membership and understands that they can only be a member if their athletic and athletic related spending minus scholarship costs are capped at $100 million a year which will be adjusted annually for inflation. They need to have a broad athletic department and sponsor at least 16 sports initially but will sponsor at least 18 by 2018. Members will have to graduate student-athletes at the median level for that sport or at a level higher than their student body. Student-athletes will have to meet certain initial and continuing eligiblity standards. If you can't meet these standards, you don't get be in."

If he had done THAT rather than his stupid and oblivious comments about colleges not having the money to pull it off and implying that they will dance for him if offers enough money, he might have had a chance.
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That was a great breakdown of the situation. I was aware of the Swiss playoff offer. This clearly shows that the BCS is a Cartel which limits others to compete with it. However, I think that Cuban is very aware of the dynamics at play. I think the point is that you need some body outside of the group with clout to get the BCS' attention,(ie. Senator Orin Hatch), and boom Utah gets an invite to the BCS.

Cuban sees a business opportunity, therefore, he uses his interest to break the system down. Therefore, he has the money and the motive and the clout, professional team owner and business mogul, to shake the BCS up to allow him and whoever, (Jerry Jones) to gain entry into the money pool.

Jerry Jones and Dallas would love to see the Cotton Bowl added to the BCS line up. Dallas and the state of Texas would love to host a National Championship game.

So it takes money to get money's attention. Basically, it was a warning shot to the BCS. With this opening the Non AQ conference can use this as leverage to gain access to the money or break the BCS so that its members will not have so much of a continued money advantage over the MWC,MAC, WAC, CUSA, and the Sun Belt Conference.

The BCS is basically telling the Non AQ to be satisfied with the table scraps and shut up. No can do. This is America and that is not what we do. College football changes every 8 to 10 years. Well, why should the Sun Belt wait another 10 years before its members can be recognized as National Champions of College Football?

That's the story. That is my aim. Let's play the game.

Thanks.
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More input.


Finally, Mark Cuban has a plan to put the BCS out of its misery

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/bl...aaf-296649

That might come as news to Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany, anti-playoff enemy No. 1, who told Congress in 2005 that "an NFL-style football playoff would generate three or four times" more than "the current system does." It might surprise ACC commissioner John Swofford, too, who said last year "a playoff of some type would generate more money than the current BCS," and SEC commissioner Mike Slive, who told the Orlando Sentinel last summer that the opposition to a playoff has "never been about the money," and "it's not the money that will … drive [the] SEC's decisions about postseason football." That's coming from the guy who once proposed a "plus one" format to fellow BCS commissioners that was essentially a four-team playoff.
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Conversation I want to see.

Mark Cuban and Jim Delany.

Cuban explains how to fix everything because of his vast expertise. Delany says, "You launched your TV network in 2001, I launched mine in 2007 and have twice as many viewers as you do. How about I come teach about running a TV network before you tell me how to run college football."
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arkstfan -

Can you help reconcile this Death to the BCS info with your efficiency statement? How can it be efficient if Florida only nets so little of the 17 Million?

Wetzel said Florida turned a net profit of just $47,000 for winning the 2009 BCS National Championship Game

In Death to the BCS, Wetzel supposedly claims that bowl organizations are like fiefdoms that collect riches off college football with their big salaries and expense accounts. I got this perspective from a radio interview.


http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2010/10...-exposure/

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/ne...ebcs101310

Thanks in advance.
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The BCS gets paid by the bowls out of ticket sales and it isn't BCS revenue until paid over. The BCS controls the title sponsorships and TV rights. What the BCS gets its hands on they have very little overhead for.
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(12-16-2010 10:35 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The BCS gets paid by the bowls out of ticket sales and it isn't BCS revenue until paid over. The BCS controls the title sponsorships and TV rights. What the BCS gets its hands on they have very little overhead for.

So how the hell does Florida only net 47K in a championship year if it is "efficient"? What am I missing?
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(12-16-2010 11:04 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  So how the hell does Florida only net 47K in a championship year if it is "efficient"? What am I missing?

Sounds like they should've cut some spending.
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(12-16-2010 11:04 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  
(12-16-2010 10:35 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The BCS gets paid by the bowls out of ticket sales and it isn't BCS revenue until paid over. The BCS controls the title sponsorships and TV rights. What the BCS gets its hands on they have very little overhead for.

So how the hell does Florida only net 47K in a championship year if it is "efficient"? What am I missing?

The SEC got right around $22 million for two teams in the BCS because they over-pay the six AQ for the first team and underpay for the second (by over and under pay I mean if you took the money and divided it 10 ways for each school making an appearance the six AQ get more than they would in a straight split but second team gets much less). Most of that goes to the conference coffers.

Florida saw a fraction of the $17 million for the first BCS pick because it gets shared with Vandy and Miss.St.

Florida took the team and paid housing and meals and comp tickets for family (at $300 per ticket).
They took the band and paid for their transportation, lodging and gave them a meal allowance and depending on the venue, may have had to give up selling their seats (at $300 each).
Much of the athletic staff not directly tied to football gets invited to come along on the university tab and the school eats $300 a ticket and pays their travel and meals on official business.
The athletic director and the president each see the event as a wonderful time to cultivate donors. Each invites a number of guests. Some guests get a ticket and have to find their way there. Some get transportation. Some get lodging. Most at least get a fancy high dollar meal as a guest.
Some of this is going on for a week.
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