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What about TCU ?
I see people discussing what to do if UCF needs a place for their non-football sports.

Well, what about TCU's non-football sports?

IMHO this is the situation we are more likely to be faced with than UCF.

They would fit in very nicely to a 12 team SBC.
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RE: What about TCU ?
If the Big East were to get involved and help UCF/TCU (e.g. through scheduling), I'm guessing that the Missouri Valley could be persuaded on TCU. That's definitely better than the Summit or Southland, which are their other options. But actually, what about the WAC? They're adding two Texas schools most likely as well as 2 non-football schools most likely. TCU helps stabilize them in the short-term.

For UCF, if it's FB-only or nothing, I'm guessing we'll talk with the A-10 and the Colonial. I don't think the A-Sun would have us back because of the resource and size disparity, the SoCon seems unlikely for similar reasons, and the Big South is a non-starter.

I really doubt the SBC will take either school, even if TCU/UCF offered football scheduling compensation and the BE offered some bball scheduling. It's not in the SBC's interest as a growing conference to be seen as a fall back place.
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RE: What about TCU ?
(11-04-2010 02:48 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  I see people discussing what to do if UCF needs a place for their non-football sports.

Well, what about TCU's non-football sports?

IMHO this is the situation we are more likely to be faced with than UCF.

They would fit in very nicely to a 12 team SBC.

NO, NO, NO. All sports or NO, NO, NO.:odie:
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RE: What about TCU ?
(11-04-2010 03:00 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  I really doubt the SBC will take either school, even if TCU/UCF offered football scheduling compensation and the BE offered some bball scheduling. It's not in the SBC's interest as a growing conference to be seen as a fall back place.

Its not a Sun Belt decision: By NCAA rule you can not be a member of 2 conferences that both offer FBS Football. Both TCU and UCF would have to take their olympic sports to a conference that does not offer FBS football.
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(11-04-2010 03:00 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  If the Big East were to get involved and help UCF/TCU (e.g. through scheduling), I'm guessing that the Missouri Valley could be persuaded on TCU. That's definitely better than the Summit or Southland, which are their other options. But actually, what about the WAC? They're adding two Texas schools most likely as well as 2 non-football schools most likely. TCU helps stabilize them in the short-term.

For UCF, if it's FB-only or nothing, I'm guessing we'll talk with the A-10 and the Colonial. I don't think the A-Sun would have us back because of the resource and size disparity, the SoCon seems unlikely for similar reasons, and the Big South is a non-starter.

I really doubt the SBC will take either school, even if TCU/UCF offered football scheduling compensation and the BE offered some bball scheduling. It's not in the SBC's interest as a growing conference to be seen as a fall back place.

You raise some interesting ideas, but all have problems of one sort or another.

First, concerning TCU and the MoValley. Well it's sounds fine at first blush and something that would be good for TCU, but I'm not certain that the MVC would be so receptive. If TCU goes to the Big East for football, and in my opinion that is far from a slam dunk for the Big East, the Horned Frogs might not be planning on staying there for long. TCU would abandon the Big East for the Big 12 in a heartbeat and could probably take all their sports there as well. The MVC would know this and might not be interested in taking a school that doesn't plan on sticking around very long. And to be honest, TCU basketball just isn't good enough to make the MVC take that kind of risk. The WAC? Well that might be another story, and one that might work, depending on how many non football schools the WAC wants to acquire. In either case, I think your use of the words "short term" is appropriate.

As far as UCF, outside of the Atlantic Sun and possibly the Big South, I don't see many options. UCF basketball would not add any value to the Atlantic-10, in fact it would dilute the value of A-10 basketball, so that's not going to happen. I can't see the CAA wanting UCF for the same reason. And, UCF is pretty far out of both of these conferences footprint.

With the SBC there is a bylaw which would prevent UCF competing there while competing in football somewhere else. If a scheduling deal was offered for football and basketball by TCU and UCF they might consider them, but would have to change the bylaws. The Southern would have to expand to an awkward number of 13, with no real benefit to outweigh the problems that would cause.

So my guess is that TCU would have few options, and UCF would have even less, for taking care of their non football sports. Even though you say the Big South is an non starter, that and the Atlantic Sun might be the only true options that may be available.
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(11-04-2010 03:10 PM)MG61 Wrote:  NO, NO, NO. All sports or NO, NO, NO.:odie:

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RE: What about TCU ?
(11-04-2010 04:02 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  
(11-04-2010 03:10 PM)MG61 Wrote:  NO, NO, NO. All sports or NO, NO, NO.:odie:

#12 ranked RPI Baseball from 2010


#23 ranked Pre-season Women's basketball.



Yeah, you're right, they're trash.

Please quit twisting things because of your agenda. The Belt just shouldn't be a haven. If a school plays FBS football and doesn't want in the Belt there is no reason for us to consider them for other sports.:odie:
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RE: What about TCU ?
As to whether we can do it under NCAA rules, I addressed that in the other thread.

Sun Belt would be a nice upgrade from the MWC in baseball. We lag some in women's hoops but our top is better in the RPI in than their top. Men's basketball not even close.

As for the Valley, my perception is they know who and what they are and they are committed to that. I have a hard time seeing the Valley add any team that they are not reasonably confident intends to spend the remainder of eternity in the league, just not who they are.

10/12 makes for easy scheduling.
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(11-04-2010 04:49 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  As to whether we can do it under NCAA rules, I addressed that in the other thread.

Sun Belt would be a nice upgrade from the MWC in baseball. We lag some in women's hoops but our top is better in the RPI in than their top. Men's basketball not even close.

As for the Valley, my perception is they know who and what they are and they are committed to that. I have a hard time seeing the Valley add any team that they are not reasonably confident intends to spend the remainder of eternity in the league, just not who they are.

10/12 makes for easy scheduling.

So, with a change in the bylaws, TCU could participate in all SBC sports except football, correct? If that is the case, then would the SBC actively go after them if they chose to put their football program in the Big East? I have to agree with you that I don't think the MVC would want that kind of deal, but it would work well for the SBC. And for TCU, especially on the baseball front.

And from TCU's perspective, it would beat the alternative of the WAC in sending its football team to the East Coast constantly, and their other teams to the West Coast. It probably wouldn't last that long, but it would be interesting while it did.
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RE: What about TCU ?
I could see the MVC wanting TCU. They're nationally recognized because of their football program, bring in a new market, are getting better in basketball, and have a great baseball program. It's not like the MVC is doing much as a basketball conference right now. They're still pretty much living off the success of a season that was five (?) years ago. I know they haven't had more than one team in the NCAA in at least two or three years. TCU is a better addition than some of the schools they have now (Indiana St, Evansville, Drake).
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(11-04-2010 03:16 PM)Hilltop 75 Wrote:  
(11-04-2010 03:00 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  I really doubt the SBC will take either school, even if TCU/UCF offered football scheduling compensation and the BE offered some bball scheduling. It's not in the SBC's interest as a growing conference to be seen as a fall back place.

Its not a Sun Belt decision: By NCAA rule you can not be a member of 2 conferences that both offer FBS Football. Both TCU and UCF would have to take their olympic sports to a conference that does not offer FBS football.

You say that so authoritatively, but I bet you can't cite the rule.
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(11-04-2010 09:52 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  
(11-04-2010 03:16 PM)Hilltop 75 Wrote:  
(11-04-2010 03:00 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  I really doubt the SBC will take either school, even if TCU/UCF offered football scheduling compensation and the BE offered some bball scheduling. It's not in the SBC's interest as a growing conference to be seen as a fall back place.

Its not a Sun Belt decision: By NCAA rule you can not be a member of 2 conferences that both offer FBS Football. Both TCU and UCF would have to take their olympic sports to a conference that does not offer FBS football.

You say that so authoritatively, but I bet you can't cite the rule.

I've quit asking for a rule cite though one person promised to get back to me with that.
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RE: What about TCU ?
(11-04-2010 02:48 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  I see people discussing what to do if UCF needs a place for their non-football sports.

Well, what about TCU's non-football sports?

IMHO this is the situation we are more likely to be faced with than UCF.

They would fit in very nicely to a 12 team SBC.

Per Andy Katz story on ESPN, TCU is talking to the WAC. They don't want to be in the same conference as North Texas.
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(11-05-2010 02:53 PM)koldbeer Wrote:  
(11-04-2010 02:48 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  I see people discussing what to do if UCF needs a place for their non-football sports.

Well, what about TCU's non-football sports?

IMHO this is the situation we are more likely to be faced with than UCF.

They would fit in very nicely to a 12 team SBC.

Per Andy Katz story on ESPN, TCU is talking to the WAC. They don't want to be in the same conference as North Texas.

It's more of a knock on the conference than UNT. (Note - TCU women's hoops are good, men's lag behind UNT-WKU etc.)

From a purely hoops standpoint, it wouldn't be great news for the Horned Frogs to go down a level in basketball to a one-bid conference, putting its basketball program on equal footing with nearby North Texas.:odie:
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(11-05-2010 02:53 PM)koldbeer Wrote:  
(11-04-2010 02:48 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  I see people discussing what to do if UCF needs a place for their non-football sports.

Well, what about TCU's non-football sports?

IMHO this is the situation we are more likely to be faced with than UCF.

They would fit in very nicely to a 12 team SBC.

Per Andy Katz story on ESPN, TCU is talking to the WAC. They don't want to be in the same conference as North Texas.

Obviously liking the idea of Texas State and UTSA.
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(11-05-2010 04:26 PM)MG61 Wrote:  
(11-05-2010 02:53 PM)koldbeer Wrote:  
(11-04-2010 02:48 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  I see people discussing what to do if UCF needs a place for their non-football sports.

Well, what about TCU's non-football sports?

IMHO this is the situation we are more likely to be faced with than UCF.

They would fit in very nicely to a 12 team SBC.

Per Andy Katz story on ESPN, TCU is talking to the WAC. They don't want to be in the same conference as North Texas.

It's more of a knock on the conference than UNT. (Note - TCU women's hoops are good, men's lag behind UNT-WKU etc.)

From a purely hoops standpoint, it wouldn't be great news for the Horned Frogs to go down a level in basketball to a one-bid conference, putting its basketball program on equal footing with nearby North Texas.:odie:


WAC isn't a big boost to hoops and if they actually care about baseball, Sun Belt is a far better choice.
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