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TF's spread takes time to install. They need to relax. They probably don't have the talent to run it at maximum efficiency yet. MTSU already had some good skill talent, so they did pretty well their first year.

With all the spread though, I think in a few years someone will have to think up something new and different again. maybe back to the run? Maybe, the SPREAD RUN? Three or four backs in one formation when the country's defense are suited to stop the air raid.

(10-03-2010 05:36 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  TF's spread takes time to install. They need to relax. They probably don't have the talent to run it at maximum efficiency yet. MTSU already had some good skill talent, so they did pretty well their first year.

With all the spread though, I think in a few years someone will have to think up something new and different again. maybe back to the run? Maybe, the SPREAD RUN? Three or four backs in one formation when the country's defense are suited to stop the air raid.

Heck, we broke many of our offensive records under Franklin.

Why are we AGAIN concerned about Tech fans or what they think ? They hate the Belt and have really gotta enjoy the obsession a few Belt fans have with them and what is happening there. Just what we need, a new Tech thread:odie:

(10-03-2010 05:47 PM)MG61 Wrote:  Why are we AGAIN concerned about Tech fans or what they think ? They hate the Belt and have really gotta enjoy the obsession a few Belt fans have with them and what is happening there. Just what we need, a new Tech thread:odie:

I think this is more of a TF thread than anything. TF said early on that it takes about 5 games for his system to really catch on. It's more about the OL learning protections than skill players learning assignments. I remember a lot of unhappy MT fans early last season but that changed after about the fifth game. I don't know if he called his shot or what but we didn't lose one after that 5th game.

(10-03-2010 06:08 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  I think this is more of a TF thread than anything. TF said early on that it takes about 5 games for his system to really catch on. It's more about the OL learning protections than skill players learning assignments. I remember a lot of unhappy MT fans early last season but that changed after about the fifth game. I don't know if he called his shot or what but we didn't lose one after that 5th game.

Sounds about right. In TF's first year, Troy was only averaging 15.6 ppg after the first 5 games. The last 8 games they were averaging 27.2 ppg. The very next season Troy was averaging 34 ppg.

Gotta give it time Tech fans...

(10-03-2010 06:36 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(10-03-2010 06:08 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  I think this is more of a TF thread than anything. TF said early on that it takes about 5 games for his system to really catch on. It's more about the OL learning protections than skill players learning assignments. I remember a lot of unhappy MT fans early last season but that changed after about the fifth game. I don't know if he called his shot or what but we didn't lose one after that 5th game.

Sounds about right. In TF's first year, Troy was only averaging 15.6 ppg after the first 5 games. The last 8 games they were averaging 27.2 ppg. The very next season Troy was averaging 34 ppg.

Gotta give it time Tech fans...

I hope y'all are right, because what I've seen so far is crap. Granted, we don't have a prolific QB. He was a "game manager" under Derek Dooley. Dooley was an SEC-style coach who believed in a strong running game and few turnovers. We are kind of shocked that we are now leading the nation in turnovers. We really think we would have a couple of more wins with a vanilla offense. We rush up to the line of scrimmage, get stuffed on 1st down, throw 2 quick incompletions, and punt. Then our defense is on the field waaaayyyy too long and they get worn out.

(10-03-2010 06:51 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  I hope y'all are right, because what I've seen so far is crap. Granted, we don't have a prolific QB. He was a "game manager" under Derek Dooley. Dooley was an SEC-style coach who believed in a strong running game and few turnovers. We are kind of shocked that we are now leading the nation in turnovers. We really think we would have a couple of more wins with a vanilla offense. We rush up to the line of scrimmage, get stuffed on 1st down, throw 2 quick incompletions, and punt. Then our defense is on the field waaaayyyy too long and they get worn out.

You guys probably have the same issues as Auburn. Give him a year to go out anf recruit a good QB he likes and a couple of other guys who fit his system and yall will be scoring 35+ a game like us and MTSU. Be patient and you will be rewarded.

In the meantime, we will be making an appearance on the bottom 10.

(10-03-2010 07:26 PM)dchi72 Wrote:  In the meantime, we will be making an appearance on the bottom 10.

Okay...you guys suck. That ain't TF's fault. You can blame that on the previous regime. You have run game personnel and you need playmakers. Let's bring this thread back a year from now...Better check with 61 before you start it though...

With as often as 61 has posted on other boards he has very little room to talk about obsessing about other teams.

(10-03-2010 06:51 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(10-03-2010 06:36 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(10-03-2010 06:08 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  I think this is more of a TF thread than anything. TF said early on that it takes about 5 games for his system to really catch on. It's more about the OL learning protections than skill players learning assignments. I remember a lot of unhappy MT fans early last season but that changed after about the fifth game. I don't know if he called his shot or what but we didn't lose one after that 5th game.

Sounds about right. In TF's first year, Troy was only averaging 15.6 ppg after the first 5 games. The last 8 games they were averaging 27.2 ppg. The very next season Troy was averaging 34 ppg.

Gotta give it time Tech fans...

I hope y'all are right, because what I've seen so far is crap. Granted, we don't have a prolific QB. He was a "game manager" under Derek Dooley. Dooley was an SEC-style coach who believed in a strong running game and few turnovers. We are kind of shocked that we are now leading the nation in turnovers. We really think we would have a couple of more wins with a vanilla offense. We rush up to the line of scrimmage, get stuffed on 1st down, throw 2 quick incompletions, and punt. Then our defense is on the field waaaayyyy too long and they get worn out.

Dooley is a heckuva substituter though.

Speaking of Dooley...

Since UT has mastered "shower discipline" now you think they can work on counting to 11?

I now refer to showering as "taking a Dooley".

My only problem with Tony Franklin is that Tech's best QB, Taylor Burch, is a true freshman and TF refuses to start someone because they are a true freshman @ QB

One thing I've learned about the spread since Dodge took over at NT, you better pay attention to your defense and continue to recruit quality on that side of the ball. Seems like Dodge would recruit 1 defensive player for every 5 wide receiver. I'm exaggerating. A spread will rack up the offensive stats but will mean nothing if you don't have a stout defense. I think UNT is averaging over 400 total yards a game, but look at the results.

(10-04-2010 07:42 AM)Green Menace Wrote:  One thing I've learned about the spread since Dodge took over at NT, you better pay attention to your defense and continue to recruit quality on that side of the ball. Seems like Dodge would recruit 1 defensive player for every 5 wide receiver. I'm exaggerating. A spread will rack up the offensive stats but will mean nothing if you don't have a stout defense. I think UNT is averaging over 400 total yards a game, but look at the results.

I HATE this kind of football. You start with defense and then get an offense that moves the ball however possible (see Alabama). I don't think you should abandon defense and then try to outscore the other team. That appears to be where Tech is at though.

(10-04-2010 08:42 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  I HATE this kind of football. You start with defense and then get an offense that moves the ball however possible (see Alabama). I don't think you should abandon defense and then try to outscore the other team. That appears to be where Tech is at though.

Welcome to the spread offense. Not a big fan though if you can pare it with decent D its very effective.

Course I havent had a Decent D at FAU since the FCS days so its quite possible I dont know what I'm talking about.

I will now crawl back into my Whiskey bottle with Howard and mutter to myself about the start of this season.

(10-04-2010 08:42 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(10-04-2010 07:42 AM)Green Menace Wrote:  One thing I've learned about the spread since Dodge took over at NT, you better pay attention to your defense and continue to recruit quality on that side of the ball. Seems like Dodge would recruit 1 defensive player for every 5 wide receiver. I'm exaggerating. A spread will rack up the offensive stats but will mean nothing if you don't have a stout defense. I think UNT is averaging over 400 total yards a game, but look at the results.

I HATE this kind of football. You start with defense and then get an offense that moves the ball however possible (see Alabama). I don't think you should abandon defense and then try to outscore the other team. That appears to be where Tech is at though.

Tony Franklin is known for saying that if you put his offense on the field against a defense of a similar caliber, his offense will win every time because his offense will just wear down the opposing defense. His teams are always among the tops in the NCAA in total number of snaps for the season.

(10-04-2010 09:48 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-04-2010 08:42 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(10-04-2010 07:42 AM)Green Menace Wrote:  One thing I've learned about the spread since Dodge took over at NT, you better pay attention to your defense and continue to recruit quality on that side of the ball. Seems like Dodge would recruit 1 defensive player for every 5 wide receiver. I'm exaggerating. A spread will rack up the offensive stats but will mean nothing if you don't have a stout defense. I think UNT is averaging over 400 total yards a game, but look at the results.

I HATE this kind of football. You start with defense and then get an offense that moves the ball however possible (see Alabama). I don't think you should abandon defense and then try to outscore the other team. That appears to be where Tech is at though.

Tony Franklin is known for saying that if you put his offense on the field against a defense of a similar caliber, his offense will win every time because his offense will just wear down the opposing defense. His teams are always among the tops in the NCAA in total number of snaps for the season.

Tony Franklin is wrong. I think it is idiotic to go 3-and-out as quickly as possible just to try to get more possessions later in the game. Time of Possession can be a factor in the game if your offense can't move the ball as well as the other team. We need to be running more time off the clock to try to make the game shorter. Instead, we are giving the other team more chances to run up the score because our offense sucks. I think it is insane. But he is NOT going to change anything. I've heard him say (and even this thread says it).... it takes half the season before his offense starts to click. Well... our season is over already. Maybe it will work when the games don't matter anymore? What a moron.

Good thing he is working with a good friend in Dykes. He and Stockstill did not see eye to eye on some things.

Franklin, from what I've heard, believes he's the top dog instead of the HC.