(09-13-2010 02:05 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Did FAU at least send their band to the "home" game in Detroit ?

On TV it said FAU spend $180,000 for advertising (billboards,etc) the game in the Michigan area.

No Band
Yes Cheerleaders
Yes $180,000 Spent

(09-13-2010 02:05 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Did FAU at least send their band to the "home" game in Detroit ?

On TV it said FAU spend $180,000 for advertising (billboards,etc) the game in the Michigan area.

No band, but the Dance team did go up.

Attendance was 36K and change so it wasnt quite what we were looking for. No hard figures yet on how much FAU took home from the gate.

Im sure we made money just not the windfall we were hoping for. MSU fans came up with every reason (some legit, some not) to not come out to the game.

(09-13-2010 11:28 AM)troy4ever21 Wrote:  The almighty MUTS could only get 16k?

I am sure it's a typo. It should be: 61,806 - Muts

(09-13-2010 01:23 PM)ManzanoWolf Wrote:  

(09-13-2010 10:43 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  You left out ULM, which also had a 'home' game at a 'netural' stadium near a big AQ school with over 55K. I don't even count those as home games.

Here are the TRUE home game attendances:

UNT 23,743 (Rice)
USA 22,376 (Pikeville College)
MTSU 21,357 (Minnesota and Austin Peay)
Troy 19,886 (Bowling Green)
FIU 19,872 (Rutgers)
ULL 15,103 (Arkansas State)

Attendance numbers from the MAC Board:

Attendance poor across the conference for those MAC's hosting games..

Ohio (19,455)
W.Michigan (19,327)
N.Illinios (18,046)
Temple (15,152)
Miami (12,857)
Akron (10,046)
Ball St (9,110)

You left out Toledo. 25, 907 average

(09-13-2010 02:11 PM)T2003 Wrote:  

(09-13-2010 11:28 AM)troy4ever21 Wrote:  The almighty MUTS could only get 16k?

I am sure it's a typo. It should be: 61,806 - Muts

Nah we don't cry about the count- or maybe we know how to count.

I still don't udnerstand why 2,000 extra fans a year is a big deal. MTSU had 20,000+, Troy had 18,000+. Not to mention, you can easily accredit the extra 2,000 to human error. They way attendance numbers are messed with, we can't have a truely accurate enough count to validate the extra numbers.

(09-13-2010 10:45 AM)MG61 Wrote:  

(09-13-2010 10:43 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  You left out ULM, which also had a 'home' game at a 'netural' stadium near a big AQ school with over 55K. I don't even count those as home games.

Here are the TRUE home game attendances:

UNT 23,743 (Rice)
USA 22,376 (Pikeville College)
MTSU 21,357 (Minnesota and Austin Peay)
Troy 19,886 (Bowling Green)
FIU 19,872 (Rutgers)
ULL 15,103 (Arkansas State)

WKU -- no true home games yet
ULM -- no true home games yet
FAU -- no true home games yet
ASU -- no true home games yet

The NCAA site does not credit ULM with the game in Little Rock. Thanks for the uSA figures.

here is a link to the ncaa figures showing ULM with credit for the home game in Little Rock.....stupid arrangement now, but made sense when the deal was struck. Only 1 more game left in the 10 year (5 game series).

Sched Dt Home Opponent Attendance
11-SEP-10 La.-Monroe Arkansas 55705


http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2010/Internet/a...CEFBS.HTML

Oh yeah? well those Troy attendance numbers are just flat out wrong! We EASILY had a bajillian-million people at our opener. When are the rest of you Sun Belt schools going to get on board and let people in to your stadiums?! Aren't they beating the doors down to get in? GEEZE!

(09-13-2010 03:04 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  I still don't udnerstand why 2,000 extra fans a year is a big deal. MTSU had 20,000+, Troy had 18,000+. Not to mention, you can easily accredit the extra 2,000 to human error. They way attendance numbers are messed with, we can't have a truely accurate enough count to validate the extra numbers.

Troy doesn't use ticket scanners ?:odie:

(09-13-2010 03:04 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  I still don't udnerstand why 2,000 extra fans a year is a big deal. MTSU had 20,000+, Troy had 18,000+. Not to mention, you can easily accredit the extra 2,000 to human error. They way attendance numbers are messed with, we can't have a truely accurate enough count to validate the extra numbers.

That's a per-game average. 20,000 per game vs 18,000 per-game. A difference of 2,000 per-game is a total of 10,000 or 12,000 people depending upon the # of home games.

MT had 6 games, and Troy had 5 games last season. Using the "20k and 18k" numbers, over the season, MT hosted 120,000 fans. Troy hosted 90,000 for a difference of 30,000 fans.

FWIW (and its not worth much)

(09-13-2010 05:24 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(09-13-2010 03:04 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  I still don't udnerstand why 2,000 extra fans a year is a big deal. MTSU had 20,000+, Troy had 18,000+. Not to mention, you can easily accredit the extra 2,000 to human error. They way attendance numbers are messed with, we can't have a truely accurate enough count to validate the extra numbers.

Troy doesn't use ticket scanners ?:odie:

If you're a student, you just flash your Student ID and walk in. I lost my student ID the day of the game, but luckily my brother had a free ticket lying around. They tore off the stub but never scanned anything. So, I'm gonna assume the school does not use ticket scanners.

(09-13-2010 06:24 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  

(09-13-2010 03:04 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  I still don't udnerstand why 2,000 extra fans a year is a big deal. MTSU had 20,000+, Troy had 18,000+. Not to mention, you can easily accredit the extra 2,000 to human error. They way attendance numbers are messed with, we can't have a truely accurate enough count to validate the extra numbers.

That's a per-game average. 20,000 per game vs 18,000 per-game. A difference of 2,000 per-game is a total of 10,000 or 12,000 people depending upon the # of home games.

MT had 6 games, and Troy had 5 games last season. Using the "20k and 18k" numbers, over the season, MT hosted 120,000 fans. Troy hosted 90,000 for a difference of 30,000 fans.

FWIW (and its not worth much)

I get that, I'm just saying it's all kind of a moot point (I'll lay off the friends reference this time). I would think the margin for error would nullify any gain to begin with. I remember a few years back going to the FIU game there were around 250 people at kickoff (terrible weather looming). Toward the end of the first quarter about 4,000 had walked in, and the reported attendace was around 11,000.

(09-13-2010 06:58 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  I get that, I'm just saying it's all kind of a moot point (I'll lay off the friends reference this time). I would think the margin for error would nullify any gain to begin with. I remember a few years back going to the FIU game there were around 250 people at kickoff (terrible weather looming). Toward the end of the first quarter about 4,000 had walked in, and the reported attendace was around 11,000.

The "margin for error" is minuscule if your ticket-takers are halfway paying attention. I've done the job before, and I might have missed, at most, 2 a game. 2 x 40 ticket takers (high estimate) is about 80. Which isn't enough to skew the #s to the extent you're talking about. Not sure how lax the gate security is at squishy field, though.

As for the FIU game, they will count paid attendance. This includes season ticket holders, walk-up crowd, and also all the staff working the game, including cheerleaders, band, ushers, etc.

(09-13-2010 06:24 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  That's a per-game average. 20,000 per game vs 18,000 per-game. A difference of 2,000 per-game is a total of 10,000 or 12,000 people depending upon the # of home games.

MT had 6 games, and Troy had 5 games last season. Using the "20k and 18k" numbers, over the season, MT hosted 120,000 fans. Troy hosted 90,000 for a difference of 30,000 fans.

FWIW (and its not worth much)

Could the possibility exist that some of the fans in the stands over the length of the season might be the SAME people? Adding up the number of people you have at each game to get a total isn't really an indication of the size of your fanbase because you're recounting the same folks. I'd think taking the average number from the games would be a much more accurate way to determine the general size of your fanbase.

With Troy, take in to account that the city/school population all together is less than the number of seats in our stadium. A very large portion of the people you see in the stadium came from out of town. It would be much easier to boast larger numbers if we had more people living in the area, or attending the University (and we're not the only ones in this boat). But we don't, and that lowers our attendance. I'd say Troy pulling an average of 19,000 fans is much more impressive than some other teams with larger markets/student populations and their slightly larger numbers. Distance between fan and stadium has to play some factor when discussing attendance.

In the end though, none of us are selling the place out every week. Any smack centered around attendance is pretty lame. Teams that don't win ball games have to come back with something, and generally that is where it goes. So c'mon, don't be "that guy." We can talk attendance and how to improve it, but let's not get in to the "mine is bigger than yours" contest.

(09-13-2010 10:31 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  

(09-13-2010 06:24 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  That's a per-game average. 20,000 per game vs 18,000 per-game. A difference of 2,000 per-game is a total of 10,000 or 12,000 people depending upon the # of home games.

MT had 6 games, and Troy had 5 games last season. Using the "20k and 18k" numbers, over the season, MT hosted 120,000 fans. Troy hosted 90,000 for a difference of 30,000 fans.

FWIW (and its not worth much)

Could the possibility exist that some of the fans in the stands over the length of the season might be the SAME people? Adding up the number of people you have at each game to get a total isn't really an indication of the size of your fanbase because you're recounting the same folks. I'd think taking the average number from the games would be a much more accurate way to determine the general size of your fanbase.

With Troy, take in to account that the city/school population all together is less than the number of seats in our stadium. A very large portion of the people you see in the stadium came from out of town. It would be much easier to boast larger numbers if we had more people living in the area, or attending the University (and we're not the only ones in this boat). But we don't, and that lowers our attendance. I'd say Troy pulling an average of 19,000 fans is much more impressive than some other teams with larger markets/student populations and their slightly larger numbers. Distance between fan and stadium has to play some factor when discussing attendance.

In the end though, none of us are selling the place out every week. Any smack centered around attendance is pretty lame. Teams that don't win ball games have to come back with something, and generally that is where it goes. So c'mon, don't be "that guy." We can talk attendance and how to improve it, but let's not get in to the "mine is bigger than yours" contest.

So does the distance between fan and jack else to do. We all have some advantages and some disadvantages. While you do have a smaller community to draw from you also have very little competition for dollars and butts. MT, F_U, UNT have a larger populations but also have way more competition.

As far as the "what's it matter?" argument that 05 keeps making, it is pretty significant. Between gate and concessions those two to three thousand extra tickets add up to about 250k to 350k. That money is why we are able to trade out a body bag game for a winnable BCS game and 6 home games. Much has been made about our schedule being the easiest in the belt and the reason it is easy is because we can afford it. I think we have had the best schedule in the belt for the last couple years. I don't know that we will ever go back to 5 home games, because we are finally able to survive without too many paycheck games.

Is it something to taunt the rest of the belt about? Definitely not, but it is something that every belt school should be concerned with. The only way the SBC is going to get the respect we want is to stop paycheck/bodybag games and only take home and home games. The only way we can do that is to be in a position that we don't need those games to survive. The way to get there is butts in seats so it is important even if its just a couple of thousand tickets.

(09-13-2010 01:15 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(09-13-2010 12:32 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  For UL/L to draw 15k in that intense heat is pretty good. A field reporter during the game said that the temps on the turf reached 118 degrees. Several of our fans had trouble dealing with the heat. After the game, some of our fans found themselves in the wrong city, trying to find their way home.....believe it or not.

I didn't make the game, but it reminded me of a ASU at Ole MIss in '85 or '86....when the temps were unbearable. Hot sun, metal bleachers, hot people elbow to elbow....not a good combo.

In any case, 15,000 was not good for UL. But I expected as much considering what took place against Georgia.

It would help if our conference mates cared to travel.

Honestly, (and I'm not saying this as a flame) but with all of the talk the stAte fans had before the game, how many stAte fans actually came into the stadium?

I have no idea. I've never been one to make the road games, as I'm one of the more financially-challenged SBC fans....but your point is valid.

(09-14-2010 12:44 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  I have no idea. I've never been one to make the road games, as I'm one of the more financially-challenged SBC fans....but your point is valid.

We love it when you make it to Murfreesboro for a stAte game

I used the last Palladium game in Murhphreesburo as part of my bachelor party trip. Did the game then spent the rest of the weekend in Nashville. All I remember about MTSU (other than the game) were all the drunk fans screaming at us for wearing Troy gear. I even had one guy threaten me because I apparently walked too close to their tailgate tent. Then in the stadium, their students gathering around us and throwing stuff into our section and cursing loud enough for the children to hear. The police removed them fortunantly. It just gave me a bad impression of the fanbase. I know not all Middle fans are like those idiots, but that just made all of our fans uncomfortable for most of the time there. I don't know if I'll go back. I want to because I like our rivalry, but I would definitly not take kids with me.

It is things like this that can affect how visiting fans travel to your school. You want them leaving thinking highly of your University and fanbase. I go way out of my way to be polite and courteous to all of our visitors. I make it a point to tell everyone wearing the wrong colors, "Hi, welcome to Troy."

And before someone points out that Troy fans have done similar things in the past, I know that and I'm embarressed by it. However, I do not do those things. In fact, any person from this board who can make it to Troy for a game is welcome to come tailgate with me. I hosted some Bowling Green fans couple of weeks ago. They told me that Troy fans were the nicest fanbase they had ever met. That was nice to hear.

I'm eager to travel to U of L. I can't wait to experience some true Cajun cooking and a great game against one of my favorite Belt teams.

(09-14-2010 01:09 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  I even had one guy threaten me because I apparently walked too close to their tailgate tent.

That was probably theboro.