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Sagarin Conference Rankings
So James Madison's win over an overrated Virginia Tech bumped the Colonial League over the MAC and Sun Belt. I still say no way the MAC is ahead of the Belt. I'll be glad when all the teams are linked and we can see the true rankings develop.

Ranking by conference:
1 SOUTHEASTERN (A) = 79.75 79.77 ( 1) 12 79.77 ( 1)
2 PAC-10 (A) = 78.46 77.80 ( 2) 10 78.06 ( 2)
3 BIG 12 (A) = 77.54 77.68 ( 3) 12 77.65 ( 3)
4 BIG TEN (A) = 76.30 75.96 ( 4) 11 76.02 ( 4)
5 ATLANTIC COAST (A) = 75.72 75.53 ( 5) 12 75.55 ( 5)
6 BIG EAST (A) = 71.64 71.98 ( 6) 8 71.95 ( 6)
7 MOUNTAIN WEST (A) = 70.98 71.41 ( 7) 9 71.26 ( 7)
8 WESTERN ATHLETIC (A) = 68.50 69.03 ( 8) 9 68.93 ( 8)
9 I-A INDEPENDENTS (A) = 67.77 67.26 ( 9) 3 67.37 ( 9)
10 CONFERENCE USA (A) = 64.79 64.48 ( 10) 12 64.54 ( 10)
11 COLONIAL (AA)= 63.18 61.91 ( 11) 10 62.58 ( 11)
12 MID-AMERICAN (A) = 60.14 59.53 ( 12) 13 59.67 ( 12)
13 SUN BELT (A) = 58.94 59.52 ( 13) 9 59.42 ( 13)
14 SOUTHERN (AA)= 55.38 55.95 ( 15) 9 55.88 ( 14)
15 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA)= 55.25 55.96 ( 14) 9 55.77 ( 15)
16 BIG SKY (AA)= 55.20 54.54 ( 16) 9 54.61 ( 16)
17 GREAT WEST (AA)= 53.81 54.10 ( 17) 5 53.97 ( 17)
18 IVY LEAGUE (AA)= 49.06 49.28 ( 20) 8 49.25 ( 19)
19 SOUTHLAND (AA)= 49.02 49.65 ( 18) 8 49.49 ( 18)
20 BIG SOUTH (AA)= 48.73 49.37 ( 19) 7 49.20 ( 20)
21 PATRIOT LEAGUE (AA)= 44.71 43.56 ( 22) 7 43.80 ( 22)
22 OHIO VALLEY (AA)= 43.52 44.50 ( 21) 9 43.89 ( 21)
23 MID-EASTERN (AA)= 41.68 41.25 ( 23) 9 41.32 ( 23)
24 NORTHEAST (AA)= 40.58 40.06 ( 24) 9 40.21 ( 24)
25 SOUTHWESTERN (AA)= 37.73 37.69 ( 25) 10 37.79 ( 25)
26 PIONEER (AA)= 33.79 33.34 ( 26) 10 33.48 ( 26)
27 I-AA INDEPENDENTS (AA)= 26.29 25.74 ( 27) 6 25.96 ( 27)
28 ***UNRATED*** (**)= -90.00 -90.00 ( 28) 1 -90.00 ( 28)

Ranking by team:
63 Troy A = 71.51 1 1 71.79( 42) 0 0 | 0 1 | 71.07 61 | 71.29 65
100 Florida Atlantic A = 64.17 1 1 67.40( 77) 0 0 | 0 0 | 65.61 88 | 62.10 103
116 Louisiana-Lafayette A = 60.30 1 1 68.11( 68) 0 0 | 0 1 | 64.12 99 | 55.89 138
119 Louisiana-Monroe A = 59.67 0 1 78.73( 19) 0 0 | 0 0 | 60.85 115 | 57.83 126
123 Fla. International A = 58.35 0 1 70.37( 54) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.79 147 | 61.22 108
131 Middle Tennessee A = 57.11 1 1 49.82( 190) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.13 145 | 58.41 121
136 Western Kentucky A = 56.42 0 2 81.68( 12) 0 0 | 0 1 | 58.77 124 | 53.36 147
137 Arkansas State A = 56.40 0 2 73.98( 34) 0 0 | 0 1 | 53.59 151 | 58.49 120
158 North Texas A = 51.75 0 2 68.31( 65) 0 0 | 0 0 | 47.79 178 | 54.71 143
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Yeah. The MAC has lost to two FCS teams, and has yet to get an OOC FBS win. There is no way they are better than the SBC.
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(09-12-2010 03:38 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Yeah. The MAC has lost to two FCS teams, and has yet to get an OOC FBS win. There is no way they are better than the SBC.

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Why are we still behind the MAC? Ugh... If UNT, Troy, and FIU would have won their close games we'd be MUCH higher. 03-banghead
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(09-12-2010 04:48 PM)troy4ever21 Wrote:  Why are we still behind the MAC? Ugh... If UNT, Troy, and FIU would have won their close games we'd be MUCH higher. 03-banghead

Well the Sun Belt has another chance this weekend. Troy @ UAB, Army @ UNT, Indiana @ WKU, and MT @ Memphis... all very, very winnable games. No excuse whatsoever for the Sun Belt not come out at least 2-2.
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(09-12-2010 05:48 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(09-12-2010 04:48 PM)troy4ever21 Wrote:  Why are we still behind the MAC? Ugh... If UNT, Troy, and FIU would have won their close games we'd be MUCH higher. 03-banghead

Well the Sun Belt has another chance this weekend. Troy @ UAB, Army @ UNT, Indiana @ WKU, and MT @ Memphis... all very, very winnable games. No excuse whatsoever for the Sun Belt not come out at least 2-2.

I'm not an expert on Sagarin, but it is obviously giving weight to the FCS wins that the MAC has had. Man they play a lot of FCS games. Although I hate the idea of playing more FCS teams, maybe we should schedule a few more to get some more winnable games early in the season. I suspect the MAC schedules the FCS games, in theory, to get more teams bowl eligible. Just think about what just "one more win" on everyone's schedule would have done for all the Belt's teams.
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(09-12-2010 09:29 PM)trojans664 Wrote:  I'm not an expert on Sagarin, but it is obviously giving weight to the FCS wins that the MAC has had. Man they play a lot of FCS games. Although I hate the idea of playing more FCS teams, maybe we should schedule a few more to get some more winnable games early in the season. I suspect the MAC schedules the FCS games, in theory, to get more teams bowl eligible. Just think about what just "one more win" on everyone's schedule would have done for all the Belt's teams.

I agree. Sun Belt teams would be better off scheduling one FCS team. Only problem is some of our schools need the money from the guarantee games instead of scheduling an FCS team.
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(09-12-2010 09:36 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(09-12-2010 09:29 PM)trojans664 Wrote:  I'm not an expert on Sagarin, but it is obviously giving weight to the FCS wins that the MAC has had. Man they play a lot of FCS games. Although I hate the idea of playing more FCS teams, maybe we should schedule a few more to get some more winnable games early in the season. I suspect the MAC schedules the FCS games, in theory, to get more teams bowl eligible. Just think about what just "one more win" on everyone's schedule would have done for all the Belt's teams.

I agree. Sun Belt teams would be better off scheduling one FCS team. Only problem is some of our schools need the money from the guarantee games instead of scheduling an FCS team.

You are still playing them brother. We all need the money games. The problem is ranked BCS programs are playing FCS teams more money then any of us can pay them. LSU is paying McNeese St $750,000 to play in Baton Rouge.
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(09-12-2010 10:24 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(09-12-2010 09:36 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(09-12-2010 09:29 PM)trojans664 Wrote:  I'm not an expert on Sagarin, but it is obviously giving weight to the FCS wins that the MAC has had. Man they play a lot of FCS games. Although I hate the idea of playing more FCS teams, maybe we should schedule a few more to get some more winnable games early in the season. I suspect the MAC schedules the FCS games, in theory, to get more teams bowl eligible. Just think about what just "one more win" on everyone's schedule would have done for all the Belt's teams.

I agree. Sun Belt teams would be better off scheduling one FCS team. Only problem is some of our schools need the money from the guarantee games instead of scheduling an FCS team.

You are still playing them brother. We all need the money games. The problem is ranked BCS programs are playing FCS teams more money then any of us can pay them. LSU is paying McNeese St $750,000 to play in Baton Rouge.

Very true. I would guess that only 25-30 of the biggest AQ teams are paying that much though. Exactly the reason we are seeing many more 2 for 1 games with teams from smaller conferences like us.
What if Troy had played Jacksonville St. last year and Alabama St. this year instead of the Bowling Green home and home series? I loved the MAC match-up and I think they did too, but we would have enjoyed 6 home games last year and would have had another 5,000 fans in the stands this year. Bowling Green only brought a few hundred and ASU would have packed the place. Not to mention that we would have probably beaten Jax St. last year giving Troy it's first 10 win season since going FBS. I'm not really advocating this strategy, just pointing out some advantages.
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(09-12-2010 09:29 PM)trojans664 Wrote:  
(09-12-2010 05:48 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(09-12-2010 04:48 PM)troy4ever21 Wrote:  Why are we still behind the MAC? Ugh... If UNT, Troy, and FIU would have won their close games we'd be MUCH higher. 03-banghead

Well the Sun Belt has another chance this weekend. Troy @ UAB, Army @ UNT, Indiana @ WKU, and MT @ Memphis... all very, very winnable games. No excuse whatsoever for the Sun Belt not come out at least 2-2.

I'm not an expert on Sagarin, but it is obviously giving weight to the FCS wins that the MAC has had. Man they play a lot of FCS games. Although I hate the idea of playing more FCS teams, maybe we should schedule a few more to get some more winnable games early in the season. I suspect the MAC schedules the FCS games, in theory, to get more teams bowl eligible. Just think about what just "one more win" on everyone's schedule would have done for all the Belt's teams.

The MAC played the vast majority of its first week games against FCS schools and lost two of those games as I recall. This next week there will be few MAC wins as they begin to play FBS schools (like the rest of us . . . lol) per a post off the MAC Board:

Saturday Sept. 18
Connecticut @ Temple 12 Noon ET ESPN Plus/Game Plan
Kent State @ Penn State 12 Noon ET ESPN HD or ESPN2 HD
Northern Illinois @ Illinois 12 Noon ET Big Ten Network
Ohio @ Ohio State 12 Noon ET Big Ten Network
Ball State @ Purdue 12 Noon ET Big Ten Network
Colorado State @ Miami 3:30 pm ET Ohio News Network (ONN)
Central Florida @ Buffalo 7 pm ET T-W Cable Sportsnet
Akron @ Kentucky 7:30 pm ET ESPN3.com/Game Plan

Also, Marshall @ BG.
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(09-12-2010 11:49 PM)ManzanoWolf Wrote:  
(09-12-2010 09:29 PM)trojans664 Wrote:  
(09-12-2010 05:48 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(09-12-2010 04:48 PM)troy4ever21 Wrote:  Why are we still behind the MAC? Ugh... If UNT, Troy, and FIU would have won their close games we'd be MUCH higher. 03-banghead

Well the Sun Belt has another chance this weekend. Troy @ UAB, Army @ UNT, Indiana @ WKU, and MT @ Memphis... all very, very winnable games. No excuse whatsoever for the Sun Belt not come out at least 2-2.

I'm not an expert on Sagarin, but it is obviously giving weight to the FCS wins that the MAC has had. Man they play a lot of FCS games. Although I hate the idea of playing more FCS teams, maybe we should schedule a few more to get some more winnable games early in the season. I suspect the MAC schedules the FCS games, in theory, to get more teams bowl eligible. Just think about what just "one more win" on everyone's schedule would have done for all the Belt's teams.

The MAC played the vast majority of its first week games against FCS schools and lost two of those games as I recall. This next week there will be few MAC wins as they begin to play FBS schools (like the rest of us . . . lol) per a post off the MAC Board:

Saturday Sept. 18
Connecticut @ Temple 12 Noon ET ESPN Plus/Game Plan
Kent State @ Penn State 12 Noon ET ESPN HD or ESPN2 HD
Northern Illinois @ Illinois 12 Noon ET Big Ten Network
Ohio @ Ohio State 12 Noon ET Big Ten Network
Ball State @ Purdue 12 Noon ET Big Ten Network
Colorado State @ Miami 3:30 pm ET Ohio News Network (ONN)
Central Florida @ Buffalo 7 pm ET T-W Cable Sportsnet
Akron @ Kentucky 7:30 pm ET ESPN3.com/Game Plan

Also, Marshall @ BG.

Will be a similar outcome for the MAC in week 3 as it was for the SBC in week 2. I think their one OOC win will be Miami over CSU.
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(09-12-2010 10:24 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(09-12-2010 09:36 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I agree. Sun Belt teams would be better off scheduling one FCS team. Only problem is some of our schools need the money from the guarantee games instead of scheduling an FCS team.

You are still playing them brother. We all need the money games. The problem is ranked BCS programs are playing FCS teams more money then any of us can pay them. LSU is paying McNeese St $750,000 to play in Baton Rouge.

There are many full-scholarship FCS teams that will settle for less. Buffalo whipped Gardner-Webb last year 40-3 (proving how bad Akron is this year), beat Rhody 31-0 last week, hosts Stony Brook in 2011 and Morgan St in 2012. All very winnable, all counting toward bowl eligibility, and each for under $300K. I'd think a SBC school getting the 6th home game revenue plus a cool $Mil+ from 2 BCS games could cover the guarantee cost for a Big South or HBCU squad.
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We paid $125,000 for Austin Peay, and let them keep their ticket sales through their ticket office.
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(09-13-2010 01:51 AM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  
(09-12-2010 10:24 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(09-12-2010 09:36 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I agree. Sun Belt teams would be better off scheduling one FCS team. Only problem is some of our schools need the money from the guarantee games instead of scheduling an FCS team.

You are still playing them brother. We all need the money games. The problem is ranked BCS programs are playing FCS teams more money then any of us can pay them. LSU is paying McNeese St $750,000 to play in Baton Rouge.

There are many full-scholarship FCS teams that will settle for less. Buffalo whipped Gardner-Webb last year 40-3 (proving how bad Akron is this year), beat Rhody 31-0 last week, hosts Stony Brook in 2011 and Morgan St in 2012. All very winnable, all counting toward bowl eligibility, and each for under $300K. I'd think a SBC school getting the 6th home game revenue plus a cool $Mil+ from 2 BCS games could cover the guarantee cost for a Big South or HBCU squad.

We paid Southern 150,000 plus tickets sold. But they traveled close to 20,000 including walk-up. We over paid McNeese St 175,000 plus a share of the gate. I have no interest in bringing in FCS programs from the north, most fans don't keep track of those programs. We have enough FCS programs in Louisiana and the surrounding states to play one each year, as long as we don't have to over pay. Cajuns have Nichols State on our schedule in 2011. Southern, Grambling and McNeese St. travel the best and are worth it.
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