(08-20-2010 11:32 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(08-20-2010 11:29 AM)YJason Wrote:  I still believe that it is LaTech's best move to stay put and see what CUSA does. That puts them in the position to not look like they are going back and begging the SBC and they get a regional home. But that will be a calculated risk...if BYU stays in the MWC and the rumored USU is accepted then the WAC is dead as dirt.

CUSA has turned them down twice already.....what makes them think they'll change their minds?
They've been talking like they are CUSA's only option if they need to get a team. I'm not sure they are even a '2nd' choice....possibly a 3rd or 4th at best.

Don't disagree there at all. I think LaTech are behind both MTSU and WKU and possibly NT in CUSA's choice selection. If I was them I would want to put my best foot forward and see what I could get done.

Well, if the Sunbelt's best move is to sit around and do nothing, then we certainly have the right man in charge!

(08-20-2010 01:02 PM)littlebittyschool Wrote:  Well, if the Sunbelt's best move is to sit around and do nothing, then we certainly have the right man in charge!

:iagree:

I do agree with arkstfan in that LTU will likely turn down any offer we give right now. They still think they are too good for us, and supposedly alot of their big money boosters have threatened to pull money if they move to the Belt.

so what if we just invite NMSU and hold. that still effectively kills off the WAC, and puts Tech in a spot where they may have to come in an accept an offer. It would essentially give us the option of a few different schools as a 12th football member.

Its likely NMSU accepts an offer immediately, even if our travel for them wouil be tough. its much cheaper to travel to Miami then it is to Honolulu

(08-20-2010 01:02 PM)littlebittyschool Wrote:  Well, if the Sunbelt's best move is to sit around and do nothing, then we certainly have the right man in charge!

This made me chuckle a bit...

Do we want to kill the WAC when Denver is seeking a home?

Better to get Denver out the door and let WAC be a league of schools with 12,000 permanent seats and 8,000 temporary seats.

(08-20-2010 03:06 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Do we want to kill the WAC when Denver is seeking a home?

Better to get Denver out the door and let WAC be a league of schools with 12,000 permanent seats and 8,000 temporary seats.

Yep.....it's probably wise to sit this one out.

(08-20-2010 01:02 PM)littlebittyschool Wrote:  Well, if the Sunbelt's best move is to sit around and do nothing, then we certainly have the right man in charge!

That's unfair, he's probably doing SOMETHING. Maybe studying other Conferences to find out how to break ties and seed tournaments correctly, maybe trying to find out why Bowl Game officials keep punking him, I can't see him just sitting there.

Actually, doing nothing right now (as far as inviting anyone) might really be the best move. There maybe more options out there. Let's take a lesson from the MWC and hold off until the time is right for us. Remember, if the PAC 16 thing would have went through, they could have had some big time options. Kansas, Baylor, K-State, Iowa State, not to mention Boise and all the other ones they had. It fell through at the last minute, but they had plan B in place and they're going for it.

The WAC may end up killing itself or someone else may kill it for us. I'm not sure that the extra revenue made by them dying off would make up for splitting our pot another time or two. Even if they survive with FCS members moving up, I don't think anyone can argue that they are the worst conference. The SBC can step up and grab some of their ESPN games and such.

If other dominoes start to fall, CUSA may go from an inviter to and invitee. The Big East is lurking, the MWC might not be done, and there are a lot of people that think the Big 12 will eventually pick up 2 more teams to play that conference championship in the Jerry Dome. If CUSA drops several teams, then the SBC would be in a spot to be aggressive (hello Southern MS!).

Wright Waters is like a cobra baby! All coiled up and ready to strike. Just waiting for the prey to be weak and distracted enough... watching...waiting...always waiting...

Oh who am I kidding? He's probably curled up in the fetal posisition under his desk hoping all of this ends soon.

Here is the difference between MWC holding off and SBC holding off. MWC is not low-man on the poll. Anytime they get robbed, they know they can just call up a WAC school. That is their security.

If the C-USA/MAC/whoever takes someone from the SBC, who do we rob? Where is our security? One key advantage of going to 12 is so in 2 years, 5 years, whenever it happens, we can still be at 10!

(08-21-2010 01:03 AM)Curtzilla Wrote:  

(08-20-2010 01:02 PM)littlebittyschool Wrote:  Well, if the Sunbelt's best move is to sit around and do nothing, then we certainly have the right man in charge!

That's unfair, he's probably doing SOMETHING. Maybe studying other Conferences to find out how to break ties and seed tournaments correctly, maybe trying to find out why Bowl Game officials keep punking him, I can't see him just sitting there.

I can.

(08-20-2010 10:34 AM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  

(08-20-2010 10:19 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  If they want to sit it out in the WAC I have a HUGE problem giving them an offer. Based on past history there is a 99% chance that they will announce rejection of the offer in conjunction with their announcement they are staying.

If I'm sitting behind Wright Waters desk, there is no possible way I'm talking to Tech until they call me about joining. If they are at a meeting I'm at I don't even say Hi until they say it first.

I wouldn't permit my league to get dinged by starting contact.

This is exactly why I say forget Tech. They are irrelevant.

We should expand, and we should add New Mexico State and Texas State.

We still:

1) Kill the WAC or weaken them for decades

2) Ditto for Tech. Excluding them will either kill their program or weaken them for decades giving recruiting advantages to ASU, UNT and UL.

3) Expand the conference into a hotbed of football and population explosion with TSU.

4) Add a pretty salty basketball program in NMSU.


Forget Tech.

Adding Tech does NOTHING for long term growth. They are the definition of low hanging fruit.

That is a great idea! They made their bed, let then lay in it. Even in the doom and gloom of their situation, they still degrading the SBC.

(08-22-2010 03:10 PM)galojah Wrote:  Here is the difference between MWC holding off and SBC holding off. MWC is not low-man on the poll. Anytime they get robbed, they know they can just call up a WAC school. That is their security.

If the C-USA/MAC/whoever takes someone from the SBC, who do we rob? Where is our security? One key advantage of going to 12 is so in 2 years, 5 years, whenever it happens, we can still be at 10!

I think whatever is going to happen, will happen by June 30 next year.

We will know shortly if MWC is going to raid CUSA or finish off the WAC. There is potential for a lot of turmoil and anyone added between now and June 30 isn't entering the league any sooner nor prevented from leaving any sooner (remember Utah State and Idaho had been admitted for all sports and left without playing the other sports).

But if there is a lot of turmoil locking teams in now might mean not having room for teams if things blow up.

For example, let's say BYU stays in the MWC and Houston joins. Then the Big East feels it needs to add depth and takes ECU, UCF, Temple and Memphis for football only to get to 12 in football. Three of those schools need a basketball home and two are worth having. CUSA is down to 8 and at an impasse as the four privates and four publics disagree on who to add or with dramatically reduced income, schools are demanding NMSU be added to soften the expense of going to UTEP.

Maybe USM reaches the conclusion the league isn't any better financially than the Belt and the Belt football is trending better.

Or what if the rumors are building that the Big East is going to act before the current BCS cycle expires and the CUSA members are demanding everyone agree to high departure penalties with long notice periods out of fear that some teams might be taken. Then schools that think they have a shot, might come to a Sun Belt that agrees to no departure penalty for invites to an AQ league.

No real benefit to get in a hurry right now.