(08-20-2010 10:49 AM)theATLDawg Wrote:  look Arky guy. I get it that you want Tech to fail and that in the past they picked big markets but that is when there were big markets to choose from. You know it yourself that if a west school leaves Tech is just about a lock. There is no big market school ready to take that spot. I am glad this is all shaking up sooner than later because it is UTSA that I was most worried about turning into a giant in a big market. Tech has a very good shot at delivering the Shreveport Monroe market to cusa and I am sure that they know that. MT doesnt have the Nashville market, but I am sure they can grab a good portion of it if they get chosen. Other than LSU, we have no real competition in all of N. Louisiana. any real competition to Tech right now will come from Temple and that is just a long way out of their footprint. But hey if it doesn't happen, I am ok with the belt or even the MAC. They will land somewhere. It's funny how now it is the other five left in the WAC that are now on the real island. We have more geographically friendly conferences that are options. Where does Idaho go? I don't think Tech wanted to be in the WAC for the longterm anyway, and this forcing of the cards may be just what needed to happen. I was very disappointed when the first shakeup stopped when it did.

See here is where you don't get it. I'm a cold-hearted SOB when it comes to sports business. My feelings about Tech have no bearing at all when I make a business analysis. Hell I broke the story of Tech to the WAC hours before the media and you Tech fans railed on me then and said I wasn't believable.

Turn your fan glasses off and look at it like a business man and understand the moving parts.

No. I don't know that Tech is a lock. If Tech were a lock, UTEP would still be in the WAC.

The fact that you say you are concerned about UTSA proves you don't know how to analyze the situation.

(08-20-2010 10:49 AM)theATLDawg Wrote:  

(08-20-2010 07:12 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-19-2010 04:17 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  Tech was only sitting tight in the WAC to find out where the future shifting would happen. Now this only makes it happen sooner. If CUSA loses a western member, I think we will get the invite. if not I think we will be back to the belt. Independent is not an option. I think all this is great for Tech one way or the other. Scary of course but great. Tech ultimately did not want to stay in the WAC anyway.

I get being a fan and supporting your team, but here is the all time CUSA member list for football.

CHARTER
Cincinnati
Houston
Louisville
Memphis
Southern Mississippi
Tulane

EXPANSION
East Carolina
Army
UAB
UCF
Marshall
Rice
SMU
UTEP
Tulsa

Two types of schools. Large market schools that are just as likely to suck as to play good ball.

Small market teams with very large season ticket base, high attendance, a relatively recent history of finishing a season ranked in football or basketball.

Tech just isn't there. There's no rule saying they have to continue following the model but I wouldn't make any plans that rely on them departing from it either.

look Arky guy. I get it that you want Tech to fail and that in the past they picked big markets but that is when there were big markets to choose from. You know it yourself that if a west school leaves Tech is just about a lock. There is no big market school ready to take that spot. I am glad this is all shaking up sooner than later because it is UTSA that I was most worried about turning into a giant in a big market. Tech has a very good shot at delivering the Shreveport Monroe market to cusa and I am sure that they know that. MT doesnt have the Nashville market, but I am sure they can grab a good portion of it if they get chosen. Other than LSU, we have no real competition in all of N. Louisiana. any real competition to Tech right now will come from Temple and that is just a long way out of their footprint. But hey if it doesn't happen, I am ok with the belt or even the MAC. They will land somewhere. It's funny how now it is the other five left in the WAC that are now on the real island. We have more geographically friendly conferences that are options. Where does Idaho go? I don't think Tech wanted to be in the WAC for the longterm anyway, and this forcing of the cards may be just what needed to happen. I was very disappointed when the first shakeup stopped when it did.

His opinion has nothing to do with "wanting La Tech to fail".

You are fooling yourself if you think that MT isn't competition for the spot. We may not have Nashville, but Murfreesboro is five times the size of Ruston and if we could grab the attention of 5% of the metro Nashville area that would be nearly half the population of Ruston.

To reiterate what arkstfan said, there's nothing stopping C-USA from straying from their track record, but you're lying to yourself if you don't think that Middle Tennessee is much closer to their history of expansion candidates than La Tech is.

And why you are so dismissive of Temple is beyond me, they really fit the mold and they are no further from other eastern schools than UTEP is from other western schools.

i don't even really like MTSU...and i would prefer them over La Tech any day.

i would actually say Temple and WKU are primary targets...both bring new markets to CUSA...and WKU has been REALLY investing in their program.

(08-20-2010 11:01 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-20-2010 10:49 AM)theATLDawg Wrote:  look Arky guy. I get it that you want Tech to fail and that in the past they picked big markets but that is when there were big markets to choose from. You know it yourself that if a west school leaves Tech is just about a lock. There is no big market school ready to take that spot. I am glad this is all shaking up sooner than later because it is UTSA that I was most worried about turning into a giant in a big market. Tech has a very good shot at delivering the Shreveport Monroe market to cusa and I am sure that they know that. MT doesnt have the Nashville market, but I am sure they can grab a good portion of it if they get chosen. Other than LSU, we have no real competition in all of N. Louisiana. any real competition to Tech right now will come from Temple and that is just a long way out of their footprint. But hey if it doesn't happen, I am ok with the belt or even the MAC. They will land somewhere. It's funny how now it is the other five left in the WAC that are now on the real island. We have more geographically friendly conferences that are options. Where does Idaho go? I don't think Tech wanted to be in the WAC for the longterm anyway, and this forcing of the cards may be just what needed to happen. I was very disappointed when the first shakeup stopped when it did.

See here is where you don't get it. I'm a cold-hearted SOB when it comes to sports business. My feelings about Tech have no bearing at all when I make a business analysis. Hell I broke the story of Tech to the WAC hours before the media and you Tech fans railed on me then and said I wasn't believable.

Turn your fan glasses off and look at it like a business man and understand the moving parts.

No. I don't know that Tech is a lock. If Tech were a lock, UTEP would still be in the WAC.

The fact that you say you are concerned about UTSA proves you don't know how to analyze the situation.

see but thats what you dont get, we weren/t a lock with UTep because Utep clearly had more to offer. Do I think we are a lock now No. I said just about a lock. Meaning other than losing out to Temple, I really don't see anyone taking that western spot. No matter what you think your business sense is why would CUSA's commissioner have already been talking to Tech if he were not already interested. This is not rumour this is fact. Of course peoples minds can change but I see us right now being in the number one position in the west to replace Houston. We have the support of all of the former WaC presidents and Tulane and USM. If Tech can convince CUSA of the N. Louisiana market being delivered then your arguement about having no market value goes out the window. Don't forget we also have Learfield who is probably doing everything possible to make sure Tech lands in the right place. And I am concerned about UTSA down the road not now. If their program should happen to be the next Central Florida in ten years than yes that San Antonio market would trump us. I am not worried about them now, they don't even have a team yet.

Believe what you want. My contacts around the business, including some within CUSA and at consulting firms tell me, Tech isn't in the top 4 on CUSA radar for reasons I've outlined.

(08-20-2010 12:22 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Believe what you want. My contacts around the business, including some within CUSA and at consulting firms tell me, Tech isn't in the top 4 on CUSA radar for reasons I've outlined.

I don't have a single contact; but I would put North Texas, MT and WKU ahead of Tech at this time. UTSA, way down the list, if on it at all.

You can't forget about that FIU market.

(08-20-2010 12:22 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Believe what you want. My contacts around the business, including some within CUSA and at consulting firms tell me, Tech isn't in the top 4 on CUSA radar for reasons I've outlined.

i know you have these contacts but why would the commisioner of cusa say himself in a public statement that we can all look at, that cusa is targeting LaTech Temple and TCU. What more contacts do you need then hearing it out of the horses mouth himself.

(08-20-2010 11:04 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-20-2010 10:49 AM)theATLDawg Wrote:  [quote='arkstfan' pid='5649426' dateline='1282306330']
[quote='theATLDawg' pid='5648003' dateline='1282252632']
Tech was only sitting tight in the WAC to find out where the future shifting would happen. Now this only makes it happen sooner. If CUSA loses a western member, I think we will get the invite. if not I think we will be back to the belt. Independent is not an option. I think all this is great for Tech one way or the other. Scary of course but great. Tech ultimately did not want to stay in the WAC anyway.

I get being a fan and supporting your team, but here is the all time CUSA member list for football.

CHARTER
Cincinnati
Houston
Louisville
Memphis
Southern Mississippi
Tulane

EXPANSION
East Carolina
Army
UAB
UCF
Marshall
Rice
SMU
UTEP
Tulsa

where did you see me dismiss MT. I have never seen anything in print that has given me the impression that they are looking at you but common sense tells me that if a defection comes from the east, you guys are definitely in a position. I just stated that you could deliver a good portion of the Nashville market even if technically it's not yours just like we can do with the Shreveport/Monroe market. and noone is dismissing Temple. They scare the hell out of me. I just said that they are really far away and cusa may not want to spread any further but yes I take Temple very seriously. Don't know if you have been noticing but Tech gets just as much TV coverage as LSU in Shreveport and we have our own beat page in the newspaper, right along side LSU, You dont have to have the actual TV station be in Ruston to have a media market. Otherwise what media market would Auburn or UGA have. A media market is about your ability to pull in fans from that region where the media sits. Tech has an excellent ability to pull in a great bit of that. I would say more so than UNT, who sits in the most saturated media market around. come on we sit number two in a fairly large media span. while UNT sits behind oh lets see. UT OU SMU TCU Dallas cowboys TT then and only then will I concede UNT. and this is by no means picking on UNT, but that is the reality of what they are up against. We are up against LSU and that is not as rampant as down south Louisiana

(08-20-2010 01:12 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  i know you have these contacts but why would the commisioner of cusa say himself in a public statement that we can all look at, that cusa is targeting LaTech Temple and TCU. What more contacts do you need then hearing it out of the horses mouth himself.

Didn't he mention that those teams were among the teams available? I don't recall it specifically naming those as the #1, 2, and 3 teams.

Rutherford County (Murfreesboro) market alone is not much smaller than "huge" Shreveport market.

(08-20-2010 01:18 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  

(08-20-2010 11:04 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-20-2010 10:49 AM)theATLDawg Wrote:  [quote='arkstfan' pid='5649426' dateline='1282306330']
[quote='theATLDawg' pid='5648003' dateline='1282252632']
Tech was only sitting tight in the WAC to find out where the future shifting would happen. Now this only makes it happen sooner. If CUSA loses a western member, I think we will get the invite. if not I think we will be back to the belt. Independent is not an option. I think all this is great for Tech one way or the other. Scary of course but great. Tech ultimately did not want to stay in the WAC anyway.

I get being a fan and supporting your team, but here is the all time CUSA member list for football.

CHARTER
Cincinnati
Houston
Louisville
Memphis
Southern Mississippi
Tulane

EXPANSION
East Carolina
Army
UAB
UCF
Marshall
Rice
SMU
UTEP
Tulsa

where did you see me dismiss MT. I have never seen anything in print that has given me the impression that they are looking at you but common sense tells me that if a defection comes from the east, you guys are definitely in a position. I just stated that you could deliver a good portion of the Nashville market even if technically it's not yours just like we can do with the Shreveport/Monroe market. and noone is dismissing Temple. They scare the hell out of me. I just said that they are really far away and cusa may not want to spread any further but yes I take Temple very seriously.

Georgraphically they arent any worse then UTEP and they are decently close to Marshall which helps gives the Thundering Herd a close rival. They won 9 football games last year have had a traditionally strong basketball program, and they bring the Philly Market into play

the Shreveport market doesnt offer much to CUSA... Western Kentucky MTSU and Temple all add more. and UNT even would be ahead of you because it gives themj another footprint in Dallas and adds a rival for SMU

(08-20-2010 01:23 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(08-20-2010 01:12 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  i know you have these contacts but why would the commisioner of cusa say himself in a public statement that we can all look at, that cusa is targeting LaTech Temple and TCU. What more contacts do you need then hearing it out of the horses mouth himself.

Didn't he mention that those teams were among the teams available? I don't recall it specifically naming those as the #1, 2, and 3 teams.

ATLDawg has stated this before. I remember the "blog" that he got this from. It was from the CUSA meetings a few months ago, and I think it ran in a paper in Florida. The problem is that it wasn't a quote from the CUSA commissioner or anyone else. The blogger simply said that he had heard that those 3 were potential candidates for expansion, if it should come to that.

(08-20-2010 01:29 PM)rhineaux Wrote:  

(08-20-2010 01:23 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(08-20-2010 01:12 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  i know you have these contacts but why would the commisioner of cusa say himself in a public statement that we can all look at, that cusa is targeting LaTech Temple and TCU. What more contacts do you need then hearing it out of the horses mouth himself.

Didn't he mention that those teams were among the teams available? I don't recall it specifically naming those as the #1, 2, and 3 teams.

ATLDawg has stated this before. I remember the "blog" that he got this from. It was from the CUSA meetings a few months ago, and I think it ran in a paper in Florida. The problem is that it wasn't a quote from the CUSA commissioner or anyone else. The blogger simply said that he had heard that those 3 were potential candidates for expansion, if it should come to that.

that is a downright lie. that was a quote from the commissioner. not a blogger. Nice try though. and our AD has been quoted and not by a blogger that CUSA is now in contact with us not vice versa. You guys will rewrite any history to cut Tech down. the exact words were in the article that the commissioner encouraged discussion amongst him and other CUSA officials and the possible names were TCU, LaTech and Temple. Does that mean we are top three maybe not but it does mean we are obviously highly on their radar.

Look I am glad this is happening now. I want a Western team to leave to see exactly where we stand in all this. If we are indeed overlooked again after all the things we have done, then I don't think Tech should hold out any hope of it ever happening. But the last time we were not in a position to compete with UTEP. Frankly we just flat out didnt deserve it, although our school was given a hard look. If we get passed over for Houston's spot, then we know that it is things out of our control and we should accept it for what it is.

Link? I'm curious as to just how 'directly' this came from the commish.

(08-20-2010 01:32 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  

(08-20-2010 01:29 PM)rhineaux Wrote:  

(08-20-2010 01:23 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(08-20-2010 01:12 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  i know you have these contacts but why would the commisioner of cusa say himself in a public statement that we can all look at, that cusa is targeting LaTech Temple and TCU. What more contacts do you need then hearing it out of the horses mouth himself.

Didn't he mention that those teams were among the teams available? I don't recall it specifically naming those as the #1, 2, and 3 teams.

ATLDawg has stated this before. I remember the "blog" that he got this from. It was from the CUSA meetings a few months ago, and I think it ran in a paper in Florida. The problem is that it wasn't a quote from the CUSA commissioner or anyone else. The blogger simply said that he had heard that those 3 were potential candidates for expansion, if it should come to that.

that is a downright lie. that was a quote from the commissioner. not a blogger. Nice try though. and our AD has been quoted and not by a blogger that CUSA is now in contact with us not vice versa. You guys will rewrite any history to cut Tech down.

your AD will say anything right now to make it look as if you guys are being considered by CUSA to satisfy the fan base.

Its almost like Memphis and their fictional Big East negotiations

(08-20-2010 01:37 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  your AD will say anything right now to make it look as if you guys are being considered by CUSA to satisfy the fan base.

Its almost like Memphis and their fictional Big East negotiations

These AQ conferences seriously need some kind of 'stalking law' to protect them from the rumors.

(08-20-2010 01:32 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  

(08-20-2010 01:29 PM)rhineaux Wrote:  

(08-20-2010 01:23 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(08-20-2010 01:12 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  i know you have these contacts but why would the commisioner of cusa say himself in a public statement that we can all look at, that cusa is targeting LaTech Temple and TCU. What more contacts do you need then hearing it out of the horses mouth himself.

Didn't he mention that those teams were among the teams available? I don't recall it specifically naming those as the #1, 2, and 3 teams.

ATLDawg has stated this before. I remember the "blog" that he got this from. It was from the CUSA meetings a few months ago, and I think it ran in a paper in Florida. The problem is that it wasn't a quote from the CUSA commissioner or anyone else. The blogger simply said that he had heard that those 3 were potential candidates for expansion, if it should come to that.

that is a downright lie. that was a quote from the commissioner. not a blogger. Nice try though. and our AD has been quoted and not by a blogger that CUSA is now in contact with us not vice versa. You guys will rewrite any history to cut Tech down.

I can hear that call now: CUSA Commissioner: Look, Dipshirt, I'm calling you to let you know that you ain't anywhere on our conference radar. Just trying to save you some trouble down the road. Remember the OTHER three times our Presidents voted with you on the ballot? Well, nothing has changed to make you look better.

LTU AD: Ladies and gentlement of the press; the CUSA commissioner called me today to express the interest of his conference in having LTU as a member.

(08-20-2010 01:37 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  Link? I'm curious as to just how 'directly' this came from the commish.

I guess time will tell now won't it.