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I sure hope so. The worst they can say is "No thank you".
I've seen enough defense.... now let's see the offense.

I say we all stay in the Belt and invite others to join us. USM and UAB come to mind. If all conferences go to 16 then LA TECH and and UTEP could also join.

(04-30-2010 01:40 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  If all conferences go to 16 then LA TECH and and UTEP could also join.

Nah.....let's look at Appy St....Tex St.....Grambling.....Slippery Rock....there has to be more out there....

(04-30-2010 01:10 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  http://blueraiders.dnj.com/article/20100...t+and+MTSU

Sounds good. I'm looking forward to hearing what the Conference Administrators are up to.

(04-30-2010 01:49 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(04-30-2010 01:40 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  If all conferences go to 16 then LA TECH and and UTEP could also join.

Nah.....let's look at Appy St....Tex St.....Grambling.....Slippery Rock....there has to be more out there....

Please no FCS teams. I know the hate for LATECH but no FCS teams are allowed.

As bad as some of us dislike LaTech (including myself), I'd much rather have them re-join the Belt than a 1-aa .

At least Tech brings some decent non-football sports.

My theory of the hour.

Big 10 takes Nebraska, Mizzou, Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse
SEC takes OU/OkSt/UT/TAMU
Pac-10 takes CU/Utah.
ACC takes Louisville, UConn, Cincinnati, West Virginia.
Big XII merges with the MWC and adds Boise State for a 14 team league.
WAC takes Montana and starts looking for an additional FCS
CUSA takes South Florida and one of FIU/FAU
Sun Belt takes either La.Tech and two FCS or two FCS or one FCS or nuthin
MAC does nuthin

(04-30-2010 02:27 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  My theory of the hour.

Big 10 takes Nebraska, Mizzou, Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse
SEC takes OU/OkSt/UT/TAMU
Pac-10 takes CU/Utah.
ACC takes Louisville, UConn, Cincinnati, West Virginia.
Big XII merges with the MWC and adds Boise State for a 14 team league.
WAC takes Montana and starts looking for an additional FCS
CUSA takes South Florida and one of FIU/FAU
Sun Belt takes either La.Tech and two FCS or two FCS or one FCS or nuthin
MAC does nuthin

What happens with the Big East?

They play basketball.

Most realignment theories suppose the Big East is going to raid CUSA to survive.

There is fatal flaw in that theory.

To be an FBS conference there must be eight football schools that are all sports members. When the Big East loses three members, who is out there available that the Big East schools like Georgetown or Villanova would vote for?

Memphis? Maybe so.
Temple? 'Nova probably isn't going there.
ECU? UCF? Very slim chance the hoop schools add them.

If the ACC doesn't raid them the only hope Big East football has of survival is if the Big XII is too gutted to continue and they can pick up the good midwestern (mostly) basketball teams that play football.

(04-30-2010 02:27 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  My theory of the hour.

Big 10 takes Nebraska, Mizzou, Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse
SEC takes OU/OkSt/UT/TAMU
Pac-10 takes CU/Utah.
ACC takes Louisville, UConn, Cincinnati, West Virginia.
Big XII merges with the MWC and adds Boise State for a 14 team league.
WAC takes Montana and starts looking for an additional FCS
CUSA takes South Florida and one of FIU/FAU
Sun Belt takes either La.Tech and two FCS or two FCS or one FCS or nuthin
MAC does nuthin

I think you have the SEC looking at too many Mid West schools. Remember that the SEC is concentrated in the SE. So I would think they take two from the B12 but then look back east at a North Carolina, Clemson....you know, really cherry-pick the ACC as well.

This scenario does support your view of the Big East going away. Because if the B10 adds 3 BE schools and the ACC is forced to replace 2 schools...the BE, as a football playing conference, is finished.

(04-30-2010 03:06 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(04-30-2010 02:27 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  My theory of the hour.

Big 10 takes Nebraska, Mizzou, Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse
SEC takes OU/OkSt/UT/TAMU
Pac-10 takes CU/Utah.
ACC takes Louisville, UConn, Cincinnati, West Virginia.
Big XII merges with the MWC and adds Boise State for a 14 team league.
WAC takes Montana and starts looking for an additional FCS
CUSA takes South Florida and one of FIU/FAU
Sun Belt takes either La.Tech and two FCS or two FCS or one FCS or nuthin
MAC does nuthin

I think you have the SEC looking at too many Mid West schools. Remember that the SEC is concentrated in the SE. So I would think they take two from the B12 but then look back east at a North Carolina, Clemson....you know, really cherry-pick the ACC as well.

This scenario does support your view of the Big East going away. Because if the B10 adds 3 BE schools and the ACC is forced to replace 2 schools...the BE, as a football playing conference, is finished.

Here's the deal.

UT/TAMU are joined as long as TAMU wants. Texas is more concerned about remaining aligned with Oklahoma. OU is almost certainly politically mandated to remain joined with OkSt.

There is no way for Texas to financially keep pace without going to either Big 10 or SEC and the SEC cannot match the boost the Big 10 is about to get without Texas.

Raiding the ACC is problematic.

UNC is going nowhere without Duke and may be politically joined by NC State (same system, same president). Virginia Tech is going nowhere without UVA. Florida State probably comes in as a single but adds no new TV markets just increases reach within existing markets.

Maryland adds DC and Baltimore but Maryland isn't likely to give up rivalries with UVA and the tobacco road schools easily.

Far easier to take the four from the Big XII and move Bama and Auburn to the SEC East.

Yeah, those four B12 schools seem pretty tightly tied. What about FSU and Clemson to the SEC....just sayin'.

SEC West
Arkansas
Miss State
Ole Miss
Texas
Texas AM
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
LSU

SEC East
Tennessee
Alabama
Auburn
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Florida
Georgia
South Carolina

This would be a hell of a conference.

(04-30-2010 04:32 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  SEC West
Arkansas
Miss State
Ole Miss
Texas
Texas AM
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
LSU

SEC East
Tennessee
Alabama
Auburn
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Florida
Georgia
South Carolina

This would be a hell of a conference.

If that happened then...

The last 5 BCS Champions would be from this conference.
6 of the last 7 BCS Champions would be from this conference.
9 of 12 BCS Champions (all time) would be from this conference.

(04-30-2010 04:46 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(04-30-2010 04:32 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  SEC West
Arkansas
Miss State
Ole Miss
Texas
Texas AM
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
LSU

SEC East
Tennessee
Alabama
Auburn
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Florida
Georgia
South Carolina

This would be a hell of a conference.

If that happened then...

The last 5 BCS Champions would be from this conference.
6 of the last 7 BCS Champions would be from this conference.
9 of 12 BCS Champions (all time) would be from this conference.

Um...not to nitpick, but it would be 8 of 12. However, if the SEC could take Oklahoma, Texas, Florida State and Miami, they'd have 10 of 12.

(04-30-2010 03:18 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Here's the deal.

UT/TAMU are joined as long as TAMU wants. Texas is more concerned about remaining aligned with Oklahoma. OU is almost certainly politically mandated to remain joined with OkSt.

There is no way for Texas to financially keep pace without going to either Big 10 or SEC and the SEC cannot match the boost the Big 10 is about to get without Texas.

Raiding the ACC is problematic.

UNC is going nowhere without Duke and may be politically joined by NC State (same system, same president). Virginia Tech is going nowhere without UVA. Florida State probably comes in as a single but adds no new TV markets just increases reach within existing markets.

Maryland adds DC and Baltimore but Maryland isn't likely to give up rivalries with UVA and the tobacco road schools easily.

Far easier to take the four from the Big XII and move Bama and Auburn to the SEC East.

arkstfan,

I'm not questioning your knowledge(I know better than to do that) but I do have a few questions about what you've layed out here.

1) What is it exactly that links Texas to TAMU and OU to Okie State? And how is that different than say...Kentucky and Louisville...Clemson and South Carolina...Georgia and Georgia Tech...etc?

2) Just to add another wrinkle to the shake-up, if UT/TAMU and OU/OSU are really linked, if there not a chance that the Pac-10 makes a power play to go to 16 and adds those four along with Colorado and Utah and in total honesty, unless they're already committed to Utah, couldn't they just grab 6 Big XII schools? Like UT, TAMU, OU, OSU, UC and then either Texas Tech(who fits the wide open spread offense) or Baylor(who fits academically and is a strong competitor in olympic sports)? In that scenario, the Pac-16 could have a division of the 6 former Big XII schools plus UA and ASU and a division of the four California schools and four from Oregon and Washington.

3) IF that were to happen, where does the SEC go? Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, UVA/VT package, WVU?

(04-30-2010 10:43 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(04-30-2010 03:18 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Here's the deal.

UT/TAMU are joined as long as TAMU wants. Texas is more concerned about remaining aligned with Oklahoma. OU is almost certainly politically mandated to remain joined with OkSt.

There is no way for Texas to financially keep pace without going to either Big 10 or SEC and the SEC cannot match the boost the Big 10 is about to get without Texas.

Raiding the ACC is problematic.

UNC is going nowhere without Duke and may be politically joined by NC State (same system, same president). Virginia Tech is going nowhere without UVA. Florida State probably comes in as a single but adds no new TV markets just increases reach within existing markets.

Maryland adds DC and Baltimore but Maryland isn't likely to give up rivalries with UVA and the tobacco road schools easily.

Far easier to take the four from the Big XII and move Bama and Auburn to the SEC East.

arkstfan,

I'm not questioning your knowledge(I know better than to do that) but I do have a few questions about what you've layed out here.

1) What is it exactly that links Texas to TAMU and OU to Okie State? And how is that different than say...Kentucky and Louisville...Clemson and South Carolina...Georgia and Georgia Tech...etc?

2) Just to add another wrinkle to the shake-up, if UT/TAMU and OU/OSU are really linked, if there not a chance that the Pac-10 makes a power play to go to 16 and adds those four along with Colorado and Utah and in total honesty, unless they're already committed to Utah, couldn't they just grab 6 Big XII schools? Like UT, TAMU, OU, OSU, UC and then either Texas Tech(who fits the wide open spread offense) or Baylor(who fits academically and is a strong competitor in olympic sports)? In that scenario, the Pac-16 could have a division of the 6 former Big XII schools plus UA and ASU and a division of the four California schools and four from Oregon and Washington.

3) IF that were to happen, where does the SEC go? Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, UVA/VT package, WVU?

UT/TAMU are linked as long as TAMU desires it. That's simply the politics. By all accounts OU/OkSt are linked due to politics as well.

1. I'm hearing that UT has been very clear that they intend to remain linked with OU. The explanation there is simple. Texas does not want to diminish or lose the Red River Shoot-out. The fans LOVE it. The money is huge (or else they'd go back to campus sites) the national media coverage is massive. If you are in a major conference do you really want to add that tough of a non-conference game? Do you want to give up a deal that assures you get to play a conference road game every other year in front of a crowd that is 50% your fans and is played in your state? Do you want to risk losing a TOUGH ticket remember Texas has less than half as many tickets for the Shootout as a game in Austin and they can extract massive donor premiums for that game.

None of the example in-state non-conference games you cite produce revenue or national attention approaching the Shootout.

If Texas wants to stay with OU, they have to accept OkSt and if OU wants to stay with Texas they have to accept TAMU.

2. Taking six Big XII schools the Pac-10 means three or four games vs the Pacific time zone schools and flying over the Rockies. It means Arizona/Arizona State are disconnected from USC/UCLA and the Arizona schools are unlikely to support it.

3. If it happened, if I'm the SEC my first call is Maryland (DC and Baltimore TV markets) and then I try for Duke/UNC and pick up Florida State. UVA and VTech are linked (see ACC expansion) and don't bring the TV punch of Maryland.

(04-30-2010 02:51 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  To be an FBS conference there must be eight football schools that are all sports members.

That makes sense, but are you positive?

(05-01-2010 01:38 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-30-2010 02:51 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  To be an FBS conference there must be eight football schools that are all sports members.

That makes sense, but are you positive?

That's what the Division I bylaws says.