Know this is OT, but it really burned me up that these guys were even charged. PC gone amok.

BAGHDAD – A U.S. Navy SEAL was cleared Thursday of charges he covered up the alleged beating of an Iraqi prisoner suspected of masterminding the grisly 2004 killings of four American security contractors.

The Blackwater guards' burned bodies were dragged through the streets, and two were hanged from a bridge over the Euphrates river in the former insurgent hotbed of Fallujah, in what became a turning point in the Iraq war.

FULL STORY
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100422/ap_o...seal_trial

It's a good thing. If they had punished those guys, there would be a lot of ticked off Americans. It's getting stupid these days with some of this PC stuff.

(04-22-2010 04:55 PM)BlueRaiderFan111 Wrote:  It's a good thing. If they had punished those guys, there would be a lot of ticked off Americans. It's getting stupid these days with some of this PC stuff.

These folks weren't playing video games. War and combat are not a pretty thing. To b*t*ch because some freakin' terrorist got busted in the chops in beyond pathetic. Those folks (terrorist) would just love to kill 'em. Shoulda just shot the s.o.b and then he wouldn't be able to complain.

Now the other two guys need to be cleared and things will be as they should be.

(04-22-2010 05:16 PM)MeanGreen61 Wrote:  

(04-22-2010 04:55 PM)BlueRaiderFan111 Wrote:  It's a good thing. If they had punished those guys, there would be a lot of ticked off Americans. It's getting stupid these days with some of this PC stuff.

These folks weren't playing video games. War and combat are not a pretty thing. To b*t*ch because some freakin' terrorist got busted in the chops in beyond pathetic. Those folks (terrorist) would just love to kill 'em. Shoulda just shot the s.o.b and then he wouldn't be able to complain.

To bad Murtha is not around to take the heat for his handy work.

(04-22-2010 04:45 PM)MeanGreen61 Wrote:  Know this is OT, but it really burned me up that these guys were even charged. PC gone amok.

BAGHDAD – A U.S. Navy SEAL was cleared Thursday of charges he covered up the alleged beating of an Iraqi prisoner suspected of masterminding the grisly 2004 killings of four American security contractors.

The Blackwater guards' burned bodies were dragged through the streets, and two were hanged from a bridge over the Euphrates river in the former insurgent hotbed of Fallujah, in what became a turning point in the Iraq war.

FULL STORY
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100422/ap_o...seal_trial

Very nice. Havent seen the news yet. Thanks for the heads up!

Z

(04-22-2010 06:01 PM)SOT1977 Wrote:  Now the other two guys need to be cleared and things will be as they should be.

Charged need to be dropped NOW.

(04-22-2010 05:16 PM)MeanGreen61 Wrote:  

(04-22-2010 04:55 PM)BlueRaiderFan111 Wrote:  It's a good thing. If they had punished those guys, there would be a lot of ticked off Americans. It's getting stupid these days with some of this PC stuff.

These folks weren't playing video games. War and combat are not a pretty thing. To b*t*ch because some freakin' terrorist got busted in the chops in beyond pathetic. Those folks (terrorist) would just love to kill 'em. Shoulda just shot the s.o.b and then he wouldn't be able to complain.

No doubt...I could understand if it was some innocent, but guys that are clearly terrorists? I couldn't care less.

Can anyone tell me what the original OED definition of "terrorism" was?

(04-22-2010 07:14 PM)thetastygreek Wrote:  Can anyone tell me what the original OED definition of "terrorism" was?

Are you trying to go PC on us Tasty ? Oxford Guy ?

(04-22-2010 07:14 PM)thetastygreek Wrote:  Can anyone tell me what the original OED definition of "terrorism" was?

Do you know and a$$hole when you talk to one, or see one in action? Me too. I don't need a Websters to define it for me. Most people don't. Enough has been said on the subject for a sports board IMO. Besides, you can call them "soldiers," "a$$ clowns," "hogans heroes" whatever...I couldn't care less what you call them. What I care about is the fact that they attacked us, without provocation (and no, I don't want to debate this point and if you do, you and I will never agree on it). Killed 3000 innocent people, no BURNED THEM ALIVE and continue their "jihad" in the name of "allah." A jihad which is basically an excuse to usurp power, rape and pillage in great quantities (as in they do this on a regular basis). I could go on, but I won't. If you think they aren't terrorists, that's fine. I just hope your family isn't burned alive in the next attack.

(04-22-2010 07:37 PM)MeanGreen61 Wrote:  

(04-22-2010 07:14 PM)thetastygreek Wrote:  Can anyone tell me what the original OED definition of "terrorism" was?

Are you trying to go PC on us Tasty ? Oxford Guy ?

It's just interesting how the word evolved and what it originally meant. Not getting into a political argument and not sure why everyone immediately assumed I was making some sort of subversive point.

But yeah, I hope my family isn't burned alive, either. In any sort of accident, disaster, or attack.

(04-22-2010 10:56 PM)thetastygreek Wrote:  

(04-22-2010 07:37 PM)MeanGreen61 Wrote:  

(04-22-2010 07:14 PM)thetastygreek Wrote:  Can anyone tell me what the original OED definition of "terrorism" was?

Are you trying to go PC on us Tasty ? Oxford Guy ?

It's just interesting how the word evolved and what it originally meant. Not getting into a political argument and not sure why everyone immediately assumed I was making some sort of subversive point.

But yeah, I hope my family isn't burned alive, either. In any sort of accident, disaster, or attack.

Fair enough, but you are the first person I've ever seen ask the question that didn't have an agenda behind it. I believe you though.

(04-23-2010 12:10 AM)BlueRaiderFan111 Wrote:  Fair enough, but you are the first person I've ever seen ask the question that didn't have an agenda behind it. I believe you though.

I'm really more of a language obsessive. Not in grammar-nazi terms, but just out of frustration of how some words (cynical and pristine are two big ones) get twisted and mangled and screwed up over time.

Anyway... The original meaning of "terrorism" was much like most of the other "-isms" we know of. It meant "government by intimidation/fear".

In so far as I have an agenda by bringing it up, it's one that's only of glancing relation to the topic of the post. I'm solidly anti-plane crashing and so forth, just to make absolutely clear. And I'm not knocking anyone for using the term in the way that it's popularly accepted today.

But it's a special sort of linguistic irony when politicians use "terrorism" as a justification for expanding the reach of government and infringing on people's liberty. It would almost be funny if the joke wasn't so Orwellian.

Hopefully that explains things without making it seem like I was trying to make some sort of snarky argument. And if I chose my words well, people shouldn't even be able to determine what my personal political identification is from this post.

War is ugly.....that's why the media needs to stay home.

(04-23-2010 07:55 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  War is ugly.....that's why the media needs to stay home.

+1............

(04-23-2010 07:55 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  War is ugly.....that's why the media needs to stay home.

I agree with the intent of your post, but the media shouldn't stay home. Freedom of the press is still important. Even during "war" time.

(04-23-2010 11:25 AM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  

(04-23-2010 07:55 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  War is ugly.....that's why the media needs to stay home.

I agree with the intent of your post, but the media shouldn't stay home. Freedom of the press is still important. Even during "war" time.

Rather than report, many of the so called media attempt to create news; the more spectacular and controversial the better. But that's another story in itself. Again, elated that the SEAL was exonerated.

(04-23-2010 11:25 AM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  

(04-23-2010 07:55 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  War is ugly.....that's why the media needs to stay home.

I agree with the intent of your post, but the media shouldn't stay home. Freedom of the press is still important. Even during "war" time.

The 'proper techniques' for war ain't for everybody. It ain't pretty, and most of us don't understand the methods or the reasoning.....but I'd rather give the military leaders the authority to choose for themselves....not have their decisions made by someone on another continent away from the events.

I've heard too many stories from my father and his 'war buddies' about how bad the Japanese (WWII) treated our prisoners, and how civil we were to theirs.

I've also heard stories about Vietnam....how our soldiers were women and baby killers......but the media never shared the stories about women and kids running up to them, handing them grenades.

I'll leave military decisions to the military.