FAU should do what's best fpr FAU and FIU should do the same. With the Scripps' partnership, FAU med students can also earn PhDs and participate in research.

The bottom line is, FAU already has a med school, under the Um moniker. Now, FAU with very little additional investment, will have its own med school, under its name, with a great partner and wonderful future.

(01-22-2010 02:11 PM)BMarkey Wrote:  The bottom line is, FAU already has a med school, under the Um moniker. Now, FAU with very little additional investment, will have its own med school, under its name, with a great partner and wonderful future.

You mean this:

Known as the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine at Florida Atlantic University (UMMSM at FAU), the program enables students to complete all four years of the medical curriculum in Boca Raton with an emphasis on continuity of care and community-based medicine. [Wikipedia.org]


It sounds more like UM's North Campus for medicine to me. You guys really are trying to 'bend reality'; good luck with that.


p.s. you plan to merge hi-tech research with a community based medical program; there's some good stuff making its way around the Boca community.

And I'll say again, a couple of you FIU people are too jealous to understand the benefits.

BTW, if Wikipedia is your source, look deeper.

Edit: I was trying to be nice and not personal.

(01-22-2010 03:57 PM)BMarkey Wrote:  And I'll say again, a couple of you FIU people are too jealous to understand the benefits.

BTW, if Wikipedia is your source, look deeper

Here you go:

Starting in the fall of 2004, the University of Miami School of Medicine began offering medical students two campus options at which to begin the medical curriculum. One of these sites is the parent medical campus in Miami next to Jackson Memorial Hospital. The new satellite medical school site is on the campus of Florida Atlantic University in suburban Boca Raton, Florida, approximately 60 miles north of Miami.

This satellite program is called The University of Miami School of Medicine at Florida Atlantic University (UMSM@FAU).

More than 25 world-class research and teaching faculty are already in residence at FAU to teach the basic science courses in the first two years of the curriculum. [From UM Medical School Admissions site]

p.s. no jealousy here; just not drinking the kool-aid.

(01-22-2010 04:10 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(01-22-2010 03:57 PM)BMarkey Wrote:  And I'll say again, a couple of you FIU people are too jealous to understand the benefits.

BTW, if Wikipedia is your source, look deeper

Here you go:

Starting in the fall of 2004, the University of Miami School of Medicine began offering medical students two campus options at which to begin the medical curriculum. One of these sites is the parent medical campus in Miami next to Jackson Memorial Hospital. The new satellite medical school site is on the campus of Florida Atlantic University in suburban Boca Raton, Florida, approximately 60 miles north of Miami.

This satellite program is called The University of Miami School of Medicine at Florida Atlantic University (UMSM@FAU).

More than 25 world-class research and teaching faculty are already in residence at FAU to teach the basic science courses in the first two years of the curriculum. [From UM Medical School Admissions site]

p.s. no jealousy here; just not drinking the kool-aid.

Ouch...

BMarkey...you say "a couple" as if including me in your thought process, since I'm the only other FIU fan that posted on this board. Believe me, there's not an inkling of jealousy on my part.... why would I be jealous? Actually I see the benefit to FAU and recognize the possibilities, and believe it would be an awesome coup for FAU, but in order to defend your point you don't have to bend the reality.

It's clear, from the previous post that it was UM School of Medicine with a "satellite" campus in Boca. To say FAU already has its own Medical School is just ridiculous, I'm sorry. That's the reason they are trying to do this bold and genious bait and switch move...to make it now FAU's own.

No, he means me. He tried to pull this fau shares um medical school business last year. Here's my response from that thread:

Quote:Here is some information directly from the link which I so helpfully provided for you:

The new satellite medical school site is on the campus of Florida Atlantic University in suburban Boca Raton, Florida, approximately 60 miles north of Miami.

Students enrolled in UMSM@FAU are University of Miami medical students with all the privileges and responsibilities of all other UM medical students, regardless of their campus affiliation. Their MD degree will be granted by the University of Miami.

You said, fau "shares" a medical school with scUM. If by "sharing" you mean fau provides classroom space for um professors to teach um medical students in order for them to earn um degrees, then YES, fau shares a medical school. However, good luck getting anybody else to buy that definition of sharing.

Here's the link: http://www.ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?ti...pid4099730

I'm not jealous either, but I'm not a fan of the propaganda (i.e. lies) that are written about FIU in the fau board or their own exaggerations (like we "share" a medical school with um).

My final comment on this: Medical students are now being taught by professors on the FAU main campus, learning and earning their degrees at FAU. All of that will remain the same, but the degrees will be more valuable and cost as much as half the amount in tuition.

The doctors will have FAU diplomas and FAU will gain the prestige. Win-win for all but those who choose to be FAU haters.

Fixed it for ya!

(01-22-2010 06:37 PM)BMarkey Wrote:  My final comment on this: Medical students (from UM) are now being taught by professors (from UM) on the FAU main campus (true), learning and earning their degrees (from UM) at FAU. All of that will remain the same, but the degrees will be more valuable and cost as much as half the amount in tuition.

The doctors will have FAU diplomas and FAU will gain the prestige. Win-win for all but those who choose to be FAU haters.

(01-22-2010 06:45 PM)FIU Panther Fan Wrote:  Fixed it for ya!

(01-22-2010 06:37 PM)BMarkey Wrote:  My final comment on this: Medical students (from UM) are now being taught by professors (from UM) on the FAU main campus (true), learning and earning their degrees (from UM) at FAU. All of that will remain the same, but the degrees will be more valuable and cost as much as half the amount in tuition.

The doctors will have FAU diplomas and FAU will gain the prestige. Win-win for all but those who choose to be FAU haters.

This is akin to Valencia CC claiming it already has a 4 year university because UCF has a satellite campus at VCC's main campus where we share classroom space. The students are UCF students, the professors are UCF professors, etc., VCC just provides the classroom space. The only thing that FAU has is any infrastructure, but whatever lab equipment/computers etc., I imagine belong to Miami. So what FAU has is classrooms and some level of institutional knowledge about how to run a med school. That's it, as far as I can tell.

The facilities are owned by FAU and staff is paid by FAU. No additional state money will be needed.

Palm Beach Post:
>>The medical program from the start has been financed with state money, which will continue to be the case. No additional money will be needed during FAU's transition to an independent medical school, said FAU's interim President John Pritchett, and the university already has in place the necessary medical staff.<<

A medical education will cost students significantly less, FAU's reputation will grow because it will have its own med school, and the Scripps partnership will give med students ore options and a chance to earn a more prestigious degree(s).

Just curious - will this be a homeopathic or osteopathic med school? Does it award an M.D. or D.O.? North Texas had a partnership with Texas College of Osteopathic Medicine (TCOM) for decades... and then we bought it making it the University of North Texas Health Science Center. We did not have to go through any additional certification because the school was already operating and accredited. Sounds similar to the FAU situation and I can't see why there would be any problem with this setup. The country needs more doctors and there is no problem with providing more opportunity - especially when the new set-up will save students about $10K a year in tuition. What's the problem? The faculty would be the same, same facilities, same set-up... what's wrong? Why complain? Great for Florida and great for our future doctors - all around win.

Nova Southeastern Univ. in Broward County already offers a DO degree. All the Florida state university medical schools offer MD degrees, so I would presume that FAU would also seek to offer the more prestigious MD degree to go along with the Scripps offerings.

Quote:The faculty would be the same

Don't think Miami's faculty are leaving to go to FAU's startup.

Then you know more than the experts at FAU. The faculty is at FAU.

(01-25-2010 12:25 AM)BMarkey Wrote:  Then you know more than the experts at FAU. The faculty is at FAU.

I have yet to read something that says the faculty of UMSM@FAU are FAU faculty members. The Miami site says the faculty are "in residence" at FAU but everything else suggests they are faculty of Miami. Whether they are paid by Miami or FAU means nothing when determining whose faculty they are actually members of. If someone from FAU can produce a document showing the faculty members to be part of FAU, then I'll cede the point. But not having seen that and not being able to find it on Google, I'm going to stick with my presumption that the medical professors are associated with Miami.

Looks like FAU has cleared one more hurdle in the process by having the subcommitte approve, and is closer to having a unique program partnering with Scripps providing a joint MD/PhD.

SunSentinel article on Joint MD/PhD program

FAU receives support for medical school
Scripps would offer joint PhD as part of program
March 10, 2010|By Scott Travis, Sun Sentinel
Florida Atlantic University has passed its first hurdle in creating a new medical school with The Scripps Research Institute.

A subcommittee for the Board of Governors, the body that oversees state universities, gave the proposal its support Wednesday. And House Majority Leader Adam Hasner, R-Delray Beach, said he sees no obstacles in the Legislature, which will also vote on the issue.

FAU's Board of Trustees voted in January to break off a six-year partnership with the University of Miami, where students received UM medical degrees on FAU's Boca Raton campus. Instead, FAU would partner with Scripps, offering students a chance to receive an FAU M.D. and Scripps Kellogg School of Science PhD simultaneously. The first students would begin in fall 2011.

"Having a stand-alone medical school at FAU's Boca Raton campus is going to be transformational," Hasner said. "But having a joint M.D./PhD program in conjunction with Scripps is going to put the FAU medical school on the map nationally."

A spokeswoman for UM declined to comment.

Hasner has filed a bill that would authorize the new program, subject to approval from the Board of Governors. The board plans to discuss the issue March 17 but likely won't vote on it until later this spring, spokesman Bill Edmonds said.

The proposal has received enthusiastic support from several members of the Board of Governors.

"I think this is kind of a natural progression for the university to be able to put in place a significant program with Scripps," said Norman Tripp of Fort Lauderdale, a member of the Board of Governors and former chairman of the FAU Board of Trustees.

A staff analysis said the proposal met all the board's requirements for submitting a new program, including a demonstrated need and ability to pay for it.

FAU will support the program through tuition plus the $12 million in annual state funding it already receives as part of its UM partnership. FAU plans to charge $21,752 a year for in-state students, down from the $30,000 a year UM charges.

Under the UM agreement, FAU didn't receive any tuition revenues. The new program would serve 246 students by 2014. Students in the current program will be able to continue their studies and graduate with a UM degree.

I just realized that the article says the first full FAU students would start in Fall of 2011 if this gets approved.

2011 looks to be shaping up to be a great year for FAU.

Med School
Innovation Village (Dorms/Campus life/Greek)
Football stadium

If y'all are really going to build a football stadium by 2011, a ground breaking had better happen pretty darn soon.

(03-11-2010 01:38 PM)stebo Wrote:  If y'all are really going to build a football stadium by 2011, a ground breaking had better happen pretty darn soon.

Ground breaking is scheduled for sometime in June.

We just recieved the Bank Bids (6 Bids recieved with 3 that appeared to be acceptable by FAU) They are voting on which one next week, then it goes up to the BOG for final apprvoal.

Supposedly an erector set so construction should be fairly quick, but they are cutting it close to the mark IMHO.

Keep your fingers crossed for us.

Looks like we're a GO. From the FAU Press Release:

The Florida Board of Governors (BOG) unanimously approved the establishment of FAU’s independent medical education program today. The doctor of medicine program was approved by FAU’s Board of Trustees in February 2010, as well as by two BOG committees prior to obtaining approval by the BOG’s full board.

“Today is an exciting day for Florida Atlantic University,” said John Pritchett, FAU’s interim president. “FAU’s medical education program has a strong foundation and will continue to position itself as a leader in state-of-the art medical education and groundbreaking research.”

The new FAU medical education program will employ a unique Continuity Medicine Curriculum whose characteristics include a smaller, more interactive learning environment; interdisciplinary and community collaboration; patient-centered, self-directed learning; small learning communities; continuity of care, patient safety, and comprehensive, chronic disease management; early introduction of clinical training in multiple community-based hospital and outpatient settings; and a state-of-the-art medical simulation center.

In addition to offering the M.D. degree, FAU proposes to offer a dual M.D./biomedical sciences Ph.D. option in partnership with the Scripps Institute Kellogg School of Science and Technology, which would confer a doctorate degree. FAU estimates that up to one fourth of its M.D. students could take advantage of this option.

FAU’s medical education program will be housed at the Charles E. Schmidt College of Biomedical Science on the Boca Raton campus. Student and residency training will be made available throughout hospitals in Palm Beach and Broward counties. The target date for the inaugural class to begin is fall 2011, with total enrollment of the program reaching 246 students by 2014.

CONGRATS to FAU; quite a coup to get the College of Medicine approved . . .