After watching the Troy versus CMU game. I have seen a common strategy amongst OCs. It seems the traditional run game is no more. Instead of handing the ball to the RB we have the shuffle pass and the swing pass. We have RB's in the wildcat and WR in motion getting the hand off. Here is a example. Instead of just handing the ball to the RB, Troy with 2nd and 5 runs a shuffle pass to the RB. The result of the play is a almost int and the clock stopping. That leave 3rd and 5. Troy has no choice but to pass on the next play. The result is an incomplete pass and the clock stopping. A total of about 10 seconds went by on the clock. Hand the ball to the RB both plays and Troy would have milked at least 90 seconds off the clock. That's 80 more seconds.


I'm not just picking on Troy. I see it every weekend with many different college teams. 3rd and 1 has become head scratcher to many coaches. It kills me to see a team call a timeout with 3rd and 1 to draw up a play. most of the time they throw the WR screen and lose yards or they line up in the wildcat and lose yards. Alabama lines up in the power I formation and punches it down your throat. They just won the BCS title doing exactly that.

I'm sorry for the rambling and I would like to hear what all of you think about this.

(01-08-2010 01:21 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  After watching the Troy versus CMU game. I have seen a common strategy amongst OCs. It seems the traditional run game is no more. Instead of handing the ball to the RB we have the shuffle pass and the swing pass. We have RB's in the wildcat and WR in motion getting the hand off. Here is a example. Instead of just handing the ball to the RB, Troy with 2nd and 5 runs a shuffle pass to the RB. The result of the play is a almost int and the clock stopping. That leave 3rd and 5. Troy has no choice but to pass on the next play. The result is an incomplete pass and the clock stopping. A total of about 10 seconds went by on the clock. Hand the ball to the RB both plays and Troy would have milked at least 90 seconds off the clock. That's 80 more seconds.


I'm not just picking on Troy. I see it every weekend with many different college teams. 3rd and 1 has become head scratcher to many coaches. It kills me to see a team call a timeout with 3rd and 1 to draw up a play. most of the time they throw the WR screen and lose yards or they line up in the wildcat and lose yards. Alabama lines up in the power I formation and punches it down your throat. They just won the BCS title doing exactly that.

I'm sorry for the rambling and I would like to hear what all of you think about this.

I, personally, would like to see the O line drop down into a 3-pt stance and run block in short yardage situations...or play-action. TROY has used the pistol formation with Greer several times, but I'm no OC...Monday-morning QB is as close as I'll ever get...I'm happy with the coaching staff that we have, not always satisfied, but happy nonetheless...

(01-08-2010 01:50 AM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(01-08-2010 01:21 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  After watching the Troy versus CMU game. I have seen a common strategy amongst OCs. It seems the traditional run game is no more. Instead of handing the ball to the RB we have the shuffle pass and the swing pass. We have RB's in the wildcat and WR in motion getting the hand off. Here is a example. Instead of just handing the ball to the RB, Troy with 2nd and 5 runs a shuffle pass to the RB. The result of the play is a almost int and the clock stopping. That leave 3rd and 5. Troy has no choice but to pass on the next play. The result is an incomplete pass and the clock stopping. A total of about 10 seconds went by on the clock. Hand the ball to the RB both plays and Troy would have milked at least 90 seconds off the clock. That's 80 more seconds.


I'm not just picking on Troy. I see it every weekend with many different college teams. 3rd and 1 has become head scratcher to many coaches. It kills me to see a team call a timeout with 3rd and 1 to draw up a play. most of the time they throw the WR screen and lose yards or they line up in the wildcat and lose yards. Alabama lines up in the power I formation and punches it down your throat. They just won the BCS title doing exactly that.

I'm sorry for the rambling and I would like to hear what all of you think about this.

I, personally, would like to see the O line drop down into a 3-pt stance and run block in short yardage situations...or play-action. TROY has used the pistol formation with Greer several times, but I'm no OC...Monday-morning QB is as close as I'll ever get...I'm happy with the coaching staff that we have, not always satisfied, but happy nonetheless...

I'm not just talking about Troy. I was just using them as an example. I to hate seeing O-Linemen standing with hands on knees instead of a 3 point stance. I hate the QB draw that every coach is running almost every 3rd play.

Alabama ran the wildcat, and pistol too. Alabama can manhandle the DL while our teams can't, that's the difference. It's not an offensive philosophy problem. It stems from the recruits that SBC teams can get.

We don't get the biggest, strongest OL. We have to get along with the smaller quick ones. This means we can't manhandle DL and open holes. We have to spread out the field and be in pass-block almost 24/7. MT kneels the ball in shotgun formation even.

I'd love for MT to be able to line it up and run over the other team (it'd be a lot easier on my mind to watch an I-form offense every week). But we're no longer the big dogs in the 1-AA pond. We have to move to the offense that gives us a chance to win these games.

(01-08-2010 01:21 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  After watching the Troy versus CMU game. I have seen a common strategy amongst OCs. It seems the traditional run game is no more. Instead of handing the ball to the RB we have the shuffle pass and the swing pass. We have RB's in the wildcat and WR in motion getting the hand off. Here is a example. Instead of just handing the ball to the RB, Troy with 2nd and 5 runs a shuffle pass to the RB. The result of the play is a almost int and the clock stopping. That leave 3rd and 5. Troy has no choice but to pass on the next play. The result is an incomplete pass and the clock stopping. A total of about 10 seconds went by on the clock. Hand the ball to the RB both plays and Troy would have milked at least 90 seconds off the clock. That's 80 more seconds.


I'm not just picking on Troy. I see it every weekend with many different college teams. 3rd and 1 has become head scratcher to many coaches. It kills me to see a team call a timeout with 3rd and 1 to draw up a play. most of the time they throw the WR screen and lose yards or they line up in the wildcat and lose yards. Alabama lines up in the power I formation and punches it down your throat. They just won the BCS title doing exactly that.

I'm sorry for the rambling and I would like to hear what all of you think about this.

FAU is one of the few still running the "traditional" offense. I love it. Im no fan of the spread for many reasons and this is one of them.

Now if we ONLY had a defense we'd be in good shape.

(01-08-2010 05:20 AM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  Alabama ran the wildcat, and pistol too. Alabama can manhandle the DL while our teams can't, that's the difference. It's not an offensive philosophy problem. It stems from the recruits that SBC teams can get.

We don't get the biggest, strongest OL. We have to get along with the smaller quick ones. This means we can't manhandle DL and open holes. We have to spread out the field and be in pass-block almost 24/7. MT kneels the ball in shotgun formation even.

I'd love for MT to be able to line it up and run over the other team (it'd be a lot easier on my mind to watch an I-form offense every week). But we're no longer the big dogs in the 1-AA pond. We have to move to the offense that gives us a chance to win these games.

Y'all aren't gonna get the biggest linemen because of the preference that TF has, but TROY averages about 300 across the front. Can't see that changing much in the near future...

(01-08-2010 01:21 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  After watching the Troy versus CMU game. I have seen a common strategy amongst OCs. It seems the traditional run game is no more. Instead of handing the ball to the RB we have the shuffle pass and the swing pass. We have RB's in the wildcat and WR in motion getting the hand off. Here is a example. Instead of just handing the ball to the RB, Troy with 2nd and 5 runs a shuffle pass to the RB. The result of the play is a almost int and the clock stopping. That leave 3rd and 5. Troy has no choice but to pass on the next play. The result is an incomplete pass and the clock stopping. A total of about 10 seconds went by on the clock. Hand the ball to the RB both plays and Troy would have milked at least 90 seconds off the clock. That's 80 more seconds.

i was screaming this from the stands. we had their defense off balance and instead of turning around and giving the rock to one of our two highly talented running backs and eating clock, we pull an LSU and our fans suffer through another 10 second drive.