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WKU holds on for win
Big win tonite against Miss. St.
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Good win, and not bad our second best player out, our best player with a bum thumb and then Evans fouling out and in foul trouble most of the night....This is what happens when a SEC teams venture out of there state and plays a real road game....Bet they never play in Diddle again....Hoping for no letdown Thurs. night, we need to take care of business in conference play....2 and 2 vs. the SEC....Wish we had the LSU game back....
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If WKU can keep a good conference record, they should be able to at least get a bid to the NCAA's if they don't manage to win the tourney.
01-05-2010 12:24 AM
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(01-04-2010 11:28 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Good win, and not bad our second best player out, our best player with a bum thumb and then Evans fouling out and in foul trouble most of the night....This is what happens when a SEC teams venture out of there state and plays a real road game....Bet they never play in Diddle again....Hoping for no letdown Thurs. night, we need to take care of business in conference play....2 and 2 vs. the SEC....Wish we had the LSU game back....

Congrats on the win. Agreed on the those traveling SEC teams. We beat MSU in our place the last time they visited a couple of years ago and they haven't been eager to return.
What's the story with Slaughter's thumb?
Sorry to have to end your winning streak on Thursday!
01-05-2010 07:21 AM
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(01-05-2010 12:24 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  If WKU can keep a good conference record, they should be able to at least get a bid to the NCAA's if they don't manage to win the tourney.

I'm afraid the conference schedule is going to push their RPI down so far that they will be on the extreme edge of the bubble if they don't win the tournament.
01-05-2010 07:22 AM
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The conference RPI is deplorable. Playing in the conference will kill any team's chance of an at-large.
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So how do we "fix" RPI issues?

Is it simply playing and beating higher rank teams?

Being mostly a football junkie, I dont really understand what this RPI thing is or why its so important.

I am warming up to basketball though, went to 2 FAU games last week, took the family, and had a good time so its probably time for me to understand whats involved in a teams/confrence perception of being good.
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(01-05-2010 09:35 AM)OwlFamily Wrote:  So how do we "fix" RPI issues?

Is it simply playing and beating higher rank teams?

Being mostly a football junkie, I dont really understand what this RPI thing is or why its so important.

I am warming up to basketball though, went to 2 FAU games last week, took the family, and had a good time so its probably time for me to understand whats involved in a teams/confrence perception of being good.

Elevating the RPI is the quickest way to raise perception. It is basically a strength of schedule indicator combined with record. 50% of it is the team's record, 25% is their opponent's record, and 25% is the opponent's, opponent's record. The NCAA includes a "secret" modifier and there is also some additional benefit for games played on the road.

We all play enough power teams in the OOC to keep the RPI up. Winning some of those would help, but the real benefit would taking on and beating quality non-power teams. Even losing to good teams is better than beating cellar-dwellers.
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Congrats on the Hilltopper win. Can't wait until Thursday night. It is a very important game for both teams. Hope the Jags are on and give it all just as they have been doing.
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(01-04-2010 11:28 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Good win, and not bad our second best player out, our best player with a bum thumb and then Evans fouling out and in foul trouble most of the night....This is what happens when a SEC teams venture out of there state and plays a real road game....Bet they never play in Diddle again....Hoping for no letdown Thurs. night, we need to take care of business in conference play....2 and 2 vs. the SEC....Wish we had the LSU game back....
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I think Pettigrew has been the MVP of the team so far. He took the ball right at Varnado and did not get blocked, he has been more consistent than anyone. LSU will be our worst loss outside of the SBC, I don't think they are any better than Indiana State. When Sergio gets back and Pattillo, I assume become eligible next semester, become available we can be a pretty good team.
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(01-05-2010 09:12 AM)galojah Wrote:  The conference RPI is deplorable. Playing in the conference will kill any team's chance of an at-large.

What else is new ?

MT has certainly done our part in lowering the RPI with our schedule, although UAB, UT (pre-arrests), and Vandy are good teams, and I think Marshall is decent.

We will lose both to WKU once again-- Book It. As far as your best player-- to me it's Kerusch (sp), at least against us.
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More deplorable than the normal deplorable. UALR and ASU are not doing as well as hoped. F_U's are killing us, as usual. ULL has lost its luster. The bad are REALLY bad -- not just sorta bad.
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(01-05-2010 12:41 PM)galojah Wrote:  More deplorable than the normal deplorable. UALR and ASU are not doing as well as hoped. F_U's are killing us, as usual. ULL has lost its luster. The bad are REALLY bad -- not just sorta bad.

Not only did the bad teams playing really bad, but the teams that were picked to do well haven't done so hot either. MT, Troy, ASU, and UNT haven't done well with their OOC schedule. Just an unexpectedly bad year. Maybe the fortunes will turn around next season.
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RPI isn't benefited by a difficult schedule unless you win those games. Going 0-fer against Div-II wannabe losers gives you the same result as going 0-fer against the top 25.

Your opponent's record is important, but only if you win the game.

It seemed as a league we used to be winning the games we were supposed to win, and losing the top 25. Now we're losing these other games. We've got a few different goals to meet before we get back to even wanting to beat top 25 teams.
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RPI is not that complicated.

First --- don't pay non D-I games. Geez. Not fair to fans and doesn't calculate in the RPI
Second --- don't sell yourself out and play a bunch of games you can't win. Schedule winnable games against the most winnable talent. AKA, don't schedule Kentucky. Schedule a middle of the pack SEC school that you stand a chance to win and you know their RPI is going to be fine playing in the SEC.
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(01-05-2010 10:21 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  50% of it is the team's record, 25% is their opponent's record, and 25% is the opponent's, opponent's record.

Wrong. It is 50% your opponents' record and 25% for the other two.


RPI is designed to give power conference teams all the chips. HALF of your RPI is your opponents record. That half has absolutely nothing to do how good your team is. And half or more of your opponents are your conference mates. Therefore anywhere from one fourth to one third of your RPI is your conference mates' win %. That is how mediocre BCS have better RPI than good Mud-majors.

BCS teams buy home games against mediocre teams and mostly win them. It kills thier RPI early in the season (because they eat a bunch of cupcakes) but then when the BCS teams start playing other conference teams that also racked up wins against cupcakes then thier RPI gets good.


DEAR WRIGHT WATERS:

IF YOU WANT TO IMPROVE CONFERENCE RPI HERE IS WHAT YOU SHOULD DO


FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS PURE AND GOOD PLEASE DO THIS!


The incentive structure in conference should be changed.

Right now, teams are rewarded for taking from thier conference mates. Now it is a competition so to some extent that is okay. But I think we should reward conference teams for helping thier conference.

Non conference games should be included in conference standings.

Seeding in the conference tournament would be rewarded based on a formula as follows.

1/3 your opponents' win %.

2/3 your overall win %.

Non D1 games don't count.

That's it. Seed the teams on that formula and watch Sunbelt basketball improve. Doesn't cost a penny to do.

And why use that formula? Because that is exactly the portion (and proportion) of RPI that affects your conference mates. The more games you win... the more you help your opponents. Most of your opponents are in the Sunbelt.

To add teeth to it... I would play all Sunbelt tournament games on the home court of the higher seed.

So the incentive becomes to schedule the toughest schedule you can win against. Which is exactly what is best for the conference. And if you don't... enjoy your road game in the conference tournament.

Over time, AD's and coaches would get the message. They would actively seek ways to win more D1 games (regardless of who those wins come against). And thus the RPI would be improved.
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(01-05-2010 08:05 PM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  [quote='AtlantaJag' pid='5021809' dateline='1262704891']
50% of it is the team's record, 25% is their opponent's record, and 25% is the opponent's, opponent's record.

Wrong. It is 50% your opponents' record and 25% for the other two.



You're right. Misprint by me - as I mentioned earlier it is mostly a strength of schedule indicator.
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(01-05-2010 08:19 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(01-05-2010 08:05 PM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  [quote='AtlantaJag' pid='5021809' dateline='1262704891']
50% of it is the team's record, 25% is their opponent's record, and 25% is the opponent's, opponent's record.

Wrong. It is 50% your opponents' record and 25% for the other two.



You're right. Misprint by me - as I mentioned earlier it is mostly a strength of schedule indicator.

Yeah. Its a game that can be played and won. That's my whole thing. We as a conference don't play that game very well. Somewhat out of poor management / scheduling but also somewhat out of lack of options.

I do think the formula that I laid out above would go a long way to turning things around.
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