(02-11-2009 06:37 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote: Heh, I'm just quoting your "classy" and "outstanding" coach.
I think the practice of over signing these non-qualifiers will catch up to Troy. Someone won't be evaluated correctly coming out of JUCO and will damage the APR so badly that you'll be put in the position MT has been in.
We're finally at the full allotment of scholarships for the first time since going 1-A. These same practices done by Troy were done by our old coach, and they put a HUGE dent in our available scholarships.
Lets just hope your "classy" and "outstanding" coach doesn't have to use his infamous line while slipping $$ to the NCAA.
These practices by Troy have been going on since 2001 when Troy entered 1-A, maybe even before then and Troy has had no problems whatsoever. MTSU fans have been saying Troy's recruiting practices were going to be the downfall of the program for a few years now, and nothing has happened to indicate that. Troy has had good APR ratings since joining 1-A.
(02-12-2009 12:24 AM)Raider_ATO Wrote: My opinion seems to have struck a nerve.
I think it'll get to you sometime down the road. You can't deny that it is a risky practice.
Hasn't struck a nerve to me. I just don't understand why a good bit of MTSU fans always seem to say this about Troy's recruiting, even though Troy hasn't had any problems. It might be a risky practice, but Blakeney and staff seem to know what they're doing.
(02-11-2009 10:15 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote: Y'all getting a little testy over there eh?
I didn't make any accusation about his character. A Troy fan called him "classy" and an "outstanding coach". I was quoting them, not making a sarcastic jab at his character.
You're fairly new here, but you'll soon figure out how to read my posts. I'll very very rarely (read: never) post anything to cut down another individual. I'll attempt to only use facts. (and won't get baited into a flame war) And definitely avoid all hearsay. Facts about a person's past that are out in the public record are fair game.
And I'll let you throw out facts about an MT coach's past if you can find any. It would surprise me if you could.
I know your type, seen this time and again. you pick out something that happened long ago that you know is both unfair and will rile some folks up and you throw it out there. then you fall back on the "i'm just stating facts," or "i'm not antagonizing anyone" line to make the responders look bad. this is one of the oldest message board scams out there. no one is falling for that crap.
You brought up an instance in Larry's history that yes is true, but is entirely unfair and pointless. You knew when you typed it that it would get a rise, which was your goal. Larry Blakeney took the fall for an entire coaching staff. He was told by his bosses to do something and was hung out to dry after he did it. Since then he has been squeeky clean. However, Middle has gotten into trouble recently. So pot, meet kettle. However, Kettle has been in the cupboard for a while and isn't interested in you anymore pot. Kettle is shiny clean and refuses to get dirty again. Maybe you should brush off some of that dirt and grime, then you can come join Kettle...ya know, IN THE WINNER CIRCLE.
(02-11-2009 10:15 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote: Y'all getting a little testy over there eh?
I didn't make any accusation about his character. A Troy fan called him "classy" and an "outstanding coach". I was quoting them, not making a sarcastic jab at his character.
You're fairly new here, but you'll soon figure out how to read my posts. I'll very very rarely (read: never) post anything to cut down another individual. I'll attempt to only use facts. (and won't get baited into a flame war) And definitely avoid all hearsay. Facts about a person's past that are out in the public record are fair game.
And I'll let you throw out facts about an MT coach's past if you can find any. It would surprise me if you could.
I know your type, seen this time and again. you pick out something that happened long ago that you know is both unfair and will rile some folks up and you throw it out there. then you fall back on the "i'm just stating facts," or "i'm not antagonizing anyone" line to make the responders look bad. this is one of the oldest message board scams out there. no one is falling for that crap.
You brought up an instance in Larry's history that yes is true, but is entirely unfair and pointless. You knew when you typed it that it would get a rise, which was your goal. Larry Blakeney took the fall for an entire coaching staff. He was told by his bosses to do something and was hung out to dry after he did it. Since then he has been squeeky clean. However, Middle has gotten into trouble recently. So pot, meet kettle. However, Kettle has been in the cupboard for a while and isn't interested in you anymore pot. Kettle is shiny clean and refuses to get dirty again. Maybe you should brush off some of that dirt and grime, then you can come join Kettle...ya know, IN THE WINNER CIRCLE.
What happened to that theology? In the past I have heard discussion that signing JUCO's and giving them a second chance was a good thing. The problem is the D-I only have them 2 years and they may not develop (most don't) into the system at least one of those years! Takes a lot of time and hard work . This talk, the article cited is off the reservation from the core discussion. It discusses the number of graduates that originally signed and graduated from the same institution and that number is low at Troy?!?! Most of those kids go to Junior College!? That was the point of the discussion. From Troy's view if they succeed they come back to Troy or another D-I school (many do) as good football players and good students. THE SECOND CHANCE!!!!
While Alabama, LSU and others usually wont waste their time with a JUCO because they don't have to, but you can be sure that they would have taken Eugene Kenlaw in a heartbeat. By the way if Alabama or LSU signed him he would have been a 5 star.
The APR discussion is a total different subject. It is well known around here that LB expects his players to do as well in the class room as on the football field. He will accept nothing less! JUCO's have proven that they are willing to do what it takes to succeed including academics. I don't understand the connection the writer of the article was trying to make other than that somehow the mid-majors are less and should be zapped for some reason. Like these local bone heads he probably thinks that only the BCS teams are the only ones worthy of football!
MT's previous coach signed barely qualified risks onto the team. They didn't last through graduation and when the APR sanctions began, MT had the lowest score. Within 1 year of a new head coach we had the highest swing. Staff members were invited to give presentations at NCAA conferences about how to improve the APR score.
Now that the McCollum error/era is over we haven't had an issue.
And this is the same reason Blakeney's practices are risky. Taking those that scrape by academically could bite the team when a few fall on the wrong side of the GPA line.
But, maybe at Phoenix University - Troy, AL campus its just easier to get a passing grade.
well, Larry Blakeney has a spotless record at TROY. His one black mark came about 20 years ago at a different university. He was ordered to do something and did it, then was stabbed in the back by those who ordered him to do it.
I would appreciate it if you would keep your smack talk on an approrpiate level. attempting to drag someone's good name through the mud is tacky and I do not think is appropriate banter, even for a smack board. Let's enjoy some fun smack, but let's keep it civil. If you continue to go back to the "keep it down home cuz" remark I will lock the thread, it offends all Trojan fans and is pointless as it has no ties to TROY.
(02-12-2009 11:37 AM)Raider_ATO Wrote: MT's previous coach signed barely qualified risks onto the team. They didn't last through graduation and when the APR sanctions began, MT had the lowest score. Within 1 year of a new head coach we had the highest swing. Staff members were invited to give presentations at NCAA conferences about how to improve the APR score.
Now that the McCollum error/era is over we haven't had an issue.
And this is the same reason Blakeney's practices are risky. Taking those that scrape by academically could bite the team when a few fall on the wrong side of the GPA line.
But, maybe at Phoenix University - Troy, AL campus its just easier to get a passing grade.
That's where your comparison goes wrong. Troy doesn't put barely qualified guys on its team. They put them in a JUCO, or they grayshirt them to make sure their mind is right before they are accepted onto the team and given a scholarship. If you would look at those facts that you are so interested in, you would see that Troy has one of the best graduation rates of student-athletes in the nation.
he's actually right, whether you want to believe it or not. TROY has been nationally recognized for its high graduation rates among athletes, especially football.
I don't see the down side of "successfully" going JUCO. Takes a whole lot of work and determination, also respect and devotion to the athletes.
I won't quote here any numbers and I don't know to find them but it was in the news not long ago about Troy's academics being among the best in the nation.
There was also articles from some Ivy-League study that said that Troy was one of the best educations for the money schools in the nation.
(02-12-2009 11:37 AM)Raider_ATO Wrote: MT's previous coach signed barely qualified risks onto the team. They didn't last through graduation and when the APR sanctions began, MT had the lowest score. Within 1 year of a new head coach we had the highest swing. Staff members were invited to give presentations at NCAA conferences about how to improve the APR score.
Now that the McCollum error/era is over we haven't had an issue.
And this is the same reason Blakeney's practices are risky. Taking those that scrape by academically could bite the team when a few fall on the wrong side of the GPA line.
But, maybe at Phoenix University - Troy, AL campus its just easier to get a passing grade.
Uh, ... Middle Tennessee State University (I don't even have to make up a funny name ) isn't exactly well known for academics AND football...
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