wolverineeagle Wrote:I am seriously concerned about Gragg and his bias vs non-black candidates. iof he hires an AA that would make his first three hires black. What are the odds? It seems to me that we have a man more interested in fulfilling a wish of having more blacks in coaching than doing what is best for EMU.

EMU needs to fire this guy. His obvious bias towards black candidates is not something we should tolerate in this day and age. A truly forward thinking, competent AD would hire a coach on merits and merits alone, and not because of affirmative action.

Slow down. Fire him? He hasn't even hired the FB coach. Let's not jump to conclusions.

By the way, Gragg also hired Jake Boss before he left for MSU.

TheWoodenNickle Wrote:

wolverineeagle Wrote:I am seriously concerned about Gragg and his bias vs non-black candidates. iof he hires an AA that would make his first three hires black. What are the odds? It seems to me that we have a man more interested in fulfilling a wish of having more blacks in coaching than doing what is best for EMU.

EMU needs to fire this guy. His obvious bias towards black candidates is not something we should tolerate in this day and age. A truly forward thinking, competent AD would hire a coach on merits and merits alone, and not because of affirmative action.

Slow down. Fire him? He hasn't even hired the FB coach. Let's not jump to conclusions.

By the way, Gragg also hired Jake Boss before he left for MSU.

Look, all I want is for EMU to hire the best coach's, regardless of color. Corwin Brown or Ron English would be interesting hires, but Soup, Fred, and Jimmy Williams would not be.

It disturbs me to see such overwhelming AA representation on the informal list. Considering that there are far more white coach's than black coach's it simply does not make sense for 5 out 6 candidates to be black unless there is a purposeful reason for it.

Derrick Gragg's JOB is to hire the best person period. If that person is african american heritage, great.But the hiring process should be fair and open. Political agendas should have no influence in this.

Wooden,

Agree I want the best candidate regardless of color to be the next EMU coach. Leave the political overtones out of the picture.

wolverineeagle Wrote:Look, all I want is for EMU to hire the best coach's, regardless of color. Corwin Brown or Ron English would be interesting hires, but Soup, Fred, and Jimmy Williams would not be.

Like I said before, this list of names was put out by the media, fans, and in the candidate himself (Williams). To my knowledge Gragg has not mentioned any names publicly.

what an ignorant thing to say about gragg, that he has an agenda to hire blacks. let's look at his hires in emu's sports...

derek del porto (wrestling), white
ann marie gilbert (wbball), black
jake boss jr. (baseball), white
sue parks (w track and field), white
brad holdren (rowing), white
jay alexander (baseball), white

four of the six hires are white and the two black candidates were no-brain-hires from local, successful programs. he probably doesn't want to hire a black fb coach for any other reason that he'd be the best candidate. people who bring up race into every conversation are losers.

Steve mentioned Don Treadwell from MSU, another guy from MSU that might be a good fit is Dan Enos.

Anyone who mentions race is a loser. Read the article that was posted read Gragg's quotes and try again.

huroncowboy Wrote:Anyone who mentions race is a loser. Read the article that was posted read Gragg's quotes and try again.

I'll just say that I think Gragg has an agenda here and leave it at that.

As for the list. Neither Soup, Loeffler or Jackson should even get a look. We all saw what a position coach can do in Genyk.

Ron English deserves a look. If I had my way, he would be it. But being familiar with UM football and RE, I think he wants a West Coast job. RE left UM on bad terms, which makes this one even more doubtful.

Truth to be told, the candidates on the list are unimpressive.I don't see anyone who would really excite anyone.A bunch of mediocrities who do not stand out. Only Martin and English are worthwhile, but I think they'll go to greener pastures.

The sad reality is that EMU does not have enough money to hire a decent coach or to upgrade facilities, a tiny fan base, and a LONG history of losing. Good luck trying to find a hidden gem with that to sell.

Gregg Brandon.

A guy with a minus 5 reputation posts and sorry to be mean but its useless.

Wolve:

This is not meant to be snide or anything, but I would like for you to suggest names who meet these requirements:

An OC or DC with a BCS school, knows MI and the midwest, clean record, preferably aged say 35 - 45, willing to work for a base salary of $300K (plus bonuses) OR a I-AA HC with similar qualifications (last year NIU got Jerry Kill from I-AA So. IL).

The problem is, as I see it, is that there are ZERO I-A BCS coordinators who meet those requirements.

No way do we get a 'hot' coordinator like Mike Locksley at Illinois (who'll probably end up at Syracuse). I'd be curious what he gets but I'd guess he'll come in at 750K+

Hence, Gragg has to compromise.

emu steve Wrote:An OC or DC with a BCS school, knows MI and the midwest, clean record, preferably aged say 35 - 45, willing to work for a base salary of $300K (plus bonuses) OR a I-AA HC with similar qualifications (last year NIU got Jerry Kill from I-AA So. IL).

The problem is, as I see it, is that there are ZERO I-A BCS coordinators who meet those requirements.

Corwin Brown may meet these requirements.

In regard to which route is better, 1-AA HC or D2 HC or D1A assistant, there is no clear winner. The proper fit is more important. Right coach for the right school.

I will say that I do not favor a position coach that has only ever coached that one position (Loeffler is an example). A HC should be experienced with more than one type of player and skill set.

FWIW i was told we will pay our next coach around $350,000 per year.

I had a listing of all coaches salaries in FCS or whatever it is they call Div. I but i can't find it. I'd be curious to know how $350K would compare to other MAC schools.

from what i found (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/f...-pay_N.htm) it would be the most by any school, by far, as of '07. the average is 225K.

thanks for the link. it seems unlikely that we would all of a sudden pay more than every other school in the MAC. maybe the $350k figure i was given includes all of the other pay (apparel, radio, car, etc.)

A few thoughts:

I'm agreeing with Wooden and leaning right now to Corwin Brown. The timing is right for him considering all the nonsense with Weiss at ND. We had good luck with Cooper from the same school.

I would like to add it would nice but not necessary if the new coach either played in the NFL or coached in the NFL. I'd even take Arena Football or the CFL.

If we are indeed paying or offering 350k believe the following:
1) He'll earn every penny trying to turn this program around.
2) If he does 350k per year will be a bargin.

Brown coached and played in the NFL. Looking better all the time.

coacheshotseat.com was a free site up until recently.

It has a matrix showing coaches and their contract amounts.

I glanced through the MAC coaches (this was about a month ago) and seemed to remember that the MEDIAN MAC HC salary was around 300K.

For those interested, I believe the C-USA median was probably 2X that amount.

I agree 350K is a good number.

I could kick myself for not printing off a lot of that website for use now.

As I indicated before, Genyk contract (all 10 - 15 pages of it including signatures, etc.) was out there. I should have made a copy for myself.

I'd rather see a lower salary, say $250K, with a lot of incentives for wins, championships, acedemics, etc that would bring it up to $350K.

huroncowboy Wrote:A guy with a minus 5 reputation posts and sorry to be mean but its useless.

What's useless about the suggestion of Gregg Brandon. Wins games, wins bowl games, competes for championships. Something no coach at EMU has done for some time.

As for the -5 rating, sometimes the truth about a program hurts and people get upset when it is spoken.