Many posters are naturally upset with the Trangoose allowing an independent (ND) to be affiliated with the Big East and the Gator Bowl. When UConn was an Independent they were 9-3 and did not get a bowl bid..
It reads as such Gator Bowl Big East, Notre Dame, meaning a 7-5 ND team can take the bowl from a 2nd place 8-4 Big East school.
Once agaqin you see unfairness here.
Also, at this point there are two other Independents, Navy, Western Kentucky, why are not they eligible for the Gator Bowl if they win the Independent league.

There's no point in asking if they should be kicked. They'll never be kicked, because it would upset the balance of power between the 8 football schools and the 7 non-football Catholic schools + Notre Dame. The only way Notre Dame is leaving the Big East is if they feel like it. If a vote to expel them ever came up, it'd be a 8-8 vote at best. No need to speculate with this one, it can't happen.

LastMinuteman Wrote:There's no point in asking if they should be kicked. They'll never be kicked, because it would upset the balance of power between the 8 football schools and the 7 non-football Catholic schools + Notre Dame. The only way Notre Dame is leaving the Big East is if they feel like it. If a vote to expel them ever came up, it'd be a 8-8 vote at best. No need to speculate with this one, it can't happen.

Good point, you hit the nail on the head, This is why trangoose added the knew non FB playing schools to preserve his dream Catholic school conference..
It can happen if the FB schools get some balls....

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LastMinuteman Wrote:There's no point in asking if they should be kicked. They'll never be kicked, because it would upset the balance of power between the 8 football schools and the 7 non-football Catholic schools + Notre Dame. The only way Notre Dame is leaving the Big East is if they feel like it. If a vote to expel them ever came up, it'd be a 8-8 vote at best. No need to speculate with this one, it can't happen.

No it would be at least 11 to 5. Pitt, UConn, and Cuse just signed lucrative FB contracts with them. Also Pitt and ND have to much good history between them. USF has a game with them now too at South Bend. ND is slowly spreading the wealth where and when it wants. So now your down to 12 to 4. Next even though things did not work out with ND currently, Rutgers and ND have good history too which can eventually re-open a scheduling agreement again. Now we are down to 13 to 3. I'll let the WV, L'Ville, and Cinn contingent speak for themselves.

Stookey57 Wrote:

LastMinuteman Wrote:There's no point in asking if they should be kicked. They'll never be kicked, because it would upset the balance of power between the 8 football schools and the 7 non-football Catholic schools + Notre Dame. The only way Notre Dame is leaving the Big East is if they feel like it. If a vote to expel them ever came up, it'd be a 8-8 vote at best. No need to speculate with this one, it can't happen.

Good point, you hit the nail on the head, This is why trangoose added the knew non FB playing schools to preserve his dream Catholic school conference..
It can happen if the FB schools get some balls....

The BE was never intended to be a catholic conference. Rutgers was asked b4 seton hall. The majority of the better independent schools at that time, that were good in BB happened to be catholic
Although I do agree depaul and marquette were added to facilitate a catholic conference if needed.

Stookey57 Wrote:It reads as such Gator Bowl Big East, Notre Dame, meaning a 7-5 ND team can take the bowl from a 2nd place 8-4 Big East school.

That is actually incorrect. After Louisville's appearance in 2006 Gator Bowl, the Big East signed a new 4 year contract with the people in Jacksonville. The contract stated that in two of the four years the bowl would take will take Big East teams or ND while the other two years would be filled with Big 12 teams. The contract also has a clause in it that states that Notre Dame may replace a Big East team so long as they finish within 2 wins of the highest non-BCS representative. When the Gator decides to take a Big 12 team, Big East/ND will be taken by the Sun Bowl and visa versa.

The first year of the contract they took WVU, the second year they took Texas Tech. Let's say WVU takes the BCS bid, Pitt finishes at 8-4, and Notre Dame finishes at 6-6. According to our bowl contract a 6-6 Notre Dame team could replace an 8-4 Pitt team. A 6-6 Notre Dame team could not, however, replace a 9-3 Pitt team. If Notre Dame is not available, the Gator bowl could opt to take a Big 12 team over a Big East team this year. If they went this route, they would have to take a Big East team or ND in the final year.

If the Gator decides to take a Big 12 team this year, then our number two team/ND will be taken by the Sun bowl. However, the Sun bowl contract does not have a "within 2" clause in it for ND meaning 6-6 Notre Dame could replace a 10-2, 11-1, 9-3 Big East team.

Personally, I think that if the Gator can't take ND, they will opt for a Big 12 team this year and hold off to take Notre Dame in the last year of their contract. That means the Sun will pick between ND and the Big East and will end up taking Notre Dame so long as they are bowl eligible, even if it means bumping a second place BE team to the Meineke Car Care bowl.

The biggest problem with this arrangement if they continue it is that it only works when Notre Dame is bad/not bowl eligible. If Notre Dame gets back to being mediocre (i.e. 6-6, 7-5) and isn't gifted wrapped a BCS bowl, you could end up with a situation where ND would steal all four bids (both Gator and both Sun) and no Big East team would actually go to either bowl over the 4 year period.

panite Wrote:UConn, and Cuse just signed lucrative FB contracts with them. Also Pitt and ND have to much good history between them. USF has a game with them now too at South Bend. ND is slowly spreading the wealth where and when it wants. So now your down to 12 to 4. Next even though things did not work out with ND currently, Rutgers and ND have good history too which can eventually re-open a scheduling agreement again. Now we are down to 13 to 3. I'll let the WV, L'Ville, and Cinn contingent speak for themselves.

In regards to the new agreements with UCONN, 'Cuse and USF...how many of those games will be played at the three's home football stadium?

Just curious.

PS. ND is signing contracts with teams from other various conferences (i.e. Big 10, Pac 10, ACC, non-bcs, etc) too.

KnightLight Wrote:

panite Wrote:UConn, and Cuse just signed lucrative FB contracts with them. Also Pitt and ND have to much good history between them. USF has a game with them now too at South Bend. ND is slowly spreading the wealth where and when it wants. So now your down to 12 to 4. Next even though things did not work out with ND currently, Rutgers and ND have good history too which can eventually re-open a scheduling agreement again. Now we are down to 13 to 3. I'll let the WV, L'Ville, and Cinn contingent speak for themselves.

In regards to the new agreements with UCONN, 'Cuse and USF...how many of those games will be played at the three's home football stadium?

Just curious.

PS. ND is signing contracts with teams from other various conferences (i.e. Big 10, Pac 10, ACC, non-bcs, etc) too.

None - but I only said they had lucrative contracts. They sold their soul and went for the money and national TV exposure. USF only gets one profitable game at ND. Cuse and Conn get all profitable games with half of them in driving distance in at the Meadowlands and the Patriots stadium in Mass in high alumni based areas. As I said LUCRATIVE CONTRACTS - I didn't say anything about playing at HOME.
If they get what they want out of the contracts and they are happy then its really of no concern to anyone else.

I voted yes. I say in all the way or out.

After reading the ND Rivals board's thread on the BE, I say the BE needs to kick the arrogant, lousy bums out!!! I still can't believe that for a brief time I was an ND fan. However, I must smile when I see ND continue to do lousy. :D