LastMinuteman Wrote:Nobody in history has ever voluntarily moved from FBS to FCS except Holy Cross, and that was within a couple years of the creation of the split subdivisions.

Nobody in history has ever been kicked out of a BCS Conf except Temple.

Guess there are always exceptions to everything.

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esayem Wrote:From what I've seen this year, Temple would not finish last in the Big East or C-USA. Temple could probably beat some of the schools we've been talking about. They have a pretty solid D, and actually shut Penn State out in the 1st quarter this year. Im telling you, that coach and his staff are the real deal. If Temple had an on-campus stadium how many students would roll outta bed and stumble over?

I don't like saying Temple vs other schools or ECu vs Dingleberry Tech or whatev, Im just saying the Temple of today is not the BE Temple of yesteryear.

Temples' coach Golden was DC at Virginia...the man is a good recruiter and knows defense. Temple has a very good defense this year, maybe the best in the MAC. Unfortunately, they have no offense to speak of. The problem with Temple these days is attendance, attendance, attendance. They had an announced crowd of around 18k for their last game vs. Ohio...but it looked much smaller on TV. If Temple had an on campus stadium I think they would do ok attendance wise.

Temple does not have any room for an on campus stadium. The campus is in the middle of the city on Broad street. They would have to put the stadium out on one of their regional campuses with the the likely candidate to be the Ambler Campus where the rest of their athletic complex is or find room expensive real estate down around the Pro sports complex to build a 45-50k stadium. The Philly location would work better as it is closer to the school and you might pick up the interest of Philly residents if they can become a winning team again with at least 7 & 5 records with season ending bowl trips. The larger games with Penn State and Maryland when they play them, and even with Navy if the numbers demand it could still be contracted to the Link when the extra seats are needed.

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No Bull Wrote:

esayem Wrote:From what I've seen this year, Temple would not finish last in the Big East or C-USA. Temple could probably beat some of the schools we've been talking about. They have a pretty solid D, and actually shut Penn State out in the 1st quarter this year. Im telling you, that coach and his staff are the real deal. If Temple had an on-campus stadium how many students would roll outta bed and stumble over?

I don't like saying Temple vs other schools or ECu vs Dingleberry Tech or whatev, Im just saying the Temple of today is not the BE Temple of yesteryear.

Temples' coach Golden was DC at Virginia...the man is a good recruiter and knows defense. Temple has a very good defense this year, maybe the best in the MAC. Unfortunately, they have no offense to speak of. The problem with Temple these days is attendance, attendance, attendance. They had an announced crowd of around 18k for their last game vs. Ohio...but it looked much smaller on TV. If Temple had an on campus stadium I think they would do ok attendance wise.

Temple does not have any room for an on campus stadium. The campus is in the middle of the city on Broad street. They would have to put the stadium out on one of their regional campuses with the the likely candidate to be the Ambler Campus where the rest of their athletic complex is or find room expensive real estate down around the Pro sports complex to build a 45-50k stadium. The Philly location would work better as it is closer to the school and you might pick up the interest of Philly residents if they can become a winning team again with at least 7 & 5 records with season ending bowl trips. The larger games with Penn State and Maryland when they play them, and even with Navy if the numbers demand it could still be contracted to the Link when the extra seats are needed.

Still pushing Temple. Philly doesn't care.

firmbizzle Wrote:Still pushing Temple. Philly doesn't care.

Olde English Proverb:
If the Owl wins, the city hoots.

BE has to splitt just for bowl purpuses. If ND takes Gator, BE could be looking at 6 win Wake Forest, 6 win MAC east champ, 6 win Memphis & 6 win SEC if not Sun Belt. with 2 eligable at home.
Memphis brings Liberty, EC & UCF strenghten Mienkie, St Pete & Bir

Temple has Army, Navy, and Nova on the home schedule next year. Nova is on every year for the next 4. (35k guarantee).

Maryland, UCONN, and Penn State are also future OOC's. I heard talks are pending with Syracuse. The scheduling is there. The product is improving. The Administration is backing it for the first time in a long time.

Temple will take care of itself. Every opportunity will be there to succeed both on the field and in the seats. If the BE is interested, great. The BE's decision will be easy. But it's still early. If not, Terry Holland, or someone else will get something going with UMASS, Marshall, and others.

It's easy to bash Temple, but the market is too big to ignore.

Why the hell is Temple playing Nova? That's the last team on earth they should be playing. I don't even want UMass to play Temple, because Temple can't afford the setback of losing to FCS teams. It's not worth the feather in our cap, we need Temple football on the upswing for when it's time to create a new eastern FBS conference.

But if Temple is going to do that anyway, I'd rather it was against us. We need to get the old rivalry going. Have Golden storm into Coach Brown's press conference and threaten to kill him, etc. If Nova beats Temple (very possible), who knows, that may get FBS talks going again, and just about put an end to the Big East split. Nova's situation in FCS isn't that stable, they (along with UMass) are worried about CAA Football splitting up and being left on the outside. Temple better pound them, every game. Every practice from the start of spring should be geared towards beating Villanova. A Big East FBS football team in Philadelphia (Villanova) would greatly reduce Temple's appeal and screws things up for the new conference.

LastMinuteman Wrote:Why the hell is Temple playing Nova? That's the last team on earth they should be playing. I don't even want UMass to play Temple, because Temple can't afford the setback of losing to FCS teams. It's not worth the feather in our cap, we need Temple football on the upswing for when it's time to create a new eastern FBS conference.

But if Temple is going to do that anyway, I'd rather it was against us. We need to get the old rivalry going. Have Golden storm into Coach Brown's press conference and threaten to kill him, etc. If Nova beats Temple (very possible), who knows, that may get FBS talks going again, and just about put an end to the Big East split. Nova's situation in FCS isn't that stable, they (along with UMass) are worried about CAA Football splitting up and being left on the outside. Temple better pound them, every game. Every practice from the start of spring should be geared towards beating Villanova. A Big East FBS football team in Philadelphia (Villanova) would greatly reduce Temple's appeal and screws things up for the new conference.

Very valid point, but the upside is better. Of course Temple should pound Nova at every meeting. But the buzz it creates in the city is worth the game, as well as the guaranteed +30k attendance.

3drain Wrote:If the Big East ever splits and highly dought it, I think the best choices would be Memphis, Temple, Charlotte and UMASS. You would be bringing in the Boston, Philadephia, Charlotte and Memphis markets. Give Umass a timetable to move up ( 2012 ), and Charlotte ( 2015 ).

Charlotte and Temple? Charlotte over ECU? ECU already has a program and good fan support...it will take Charlotte years and years to get to where ECU already is. Temple lacks fan support to get back in the Big East. The only scenario that would make Temple a good choice would be if Temple built and on campus stadium and could draw at 25 to 30k per game... Phill market dominated by Pro teams...

Wilkie01 Wrote:Well, then add UMass, Memphis, East Carolina and Central Florida.

UMass
UConn
Syracuse
Rutgers
Pittsburgh
West Virginia

Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
East Carolina
South Florida
Central Florida

Good Conference, particularly adding UMass and strengthening Big east North east footprint... but unfortunately does not make the Big East a stronger football conference in the national media's eyes...

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3drain Wrote:If the Big East ever splits and highly dought it, I think the best choices would be Memphis, Temple, Charlotte and UMASS. You would be bringing in the Boston, Philadephia, Charlotte and Memphis markets. Give Umass a timetable to move up ( 2012 ), and Charlotte ( 2015 ).

Charlotte and Temple? Charlotte over ECU? ECU already has a program and good fan support...it will take Charlotte years and years to get to where ECU already is. Temple lacks fan support to get back in the Big East. The only scenario that would make Temple a good choice would be if Temple built and on campus stadium and could draw at 25 to 30k per game... Phill market dominated by Pro teams...

The problem with ECU (and Charlotte, for that matter) is that the state of North Carolina is already the most saturated state in terms of BCS schools. It already has 4 BCS schools, which is a status only shared with California, Texas, and Florida. Yet, North Carolina has less than half the population of any of those states. Adding a 5th BCS team there would be like adding a 4th NHL team to the NYC area - it's just overkill and you're not going to get the returns that you'd hope for. This has nothing to do with ECU's support, but it's simply in an area that's over-saturated already. If you're going to add a 5th school to a coverage area (which I don't necessarily believe is the best idea), you're better off doing that in a place like Florida that has the population to justify it.

sconer Wrote:Very valid point, but the upside is better. Of course Temple should pound Nova at every meeting. But the buzz it creates in the city is worth the game, as well as the guaranteed +30k attendance.

I'll be pulling hard for Temple, but if these two teams played this year I'd honestly expect Villanova to win 1 out of 3. Nova is a legitimate FCS Championship contender, the #1 team in FCS needed a hail mary to beat them. They put up 400 yards of offense on West Virginia (turnovers and giving up big pass plays did them in). Plus they're young, most of their key players are sophomores, they're going to be good for at least another two years. As for attendance, only 6,700 fans showed up to watch them play the #1 team in FCS, and many of those were fans of the opposing team (only a 4 hour drive). Granted, the weather wasn't great, but we're talking about #7 against #1, with the conference championship probably on the line. I don't know how big a turnout Temple can realistically expect from Nova fans.

Terrible scheduling decision, in my opinion. But I guess all's well that ends well if Temple sweeps the series. I'll feel better about it if Temple continues to improve. Just don't sleep on these guys. Watch what Nova does against New Hampshire in a couple weeks. New Hampshire and Temple had similar wins over Army (no fluke by UNH, they've beaten 4 FBS teams in a row, 2 from BCS conferences), so it'll provide a point of reference.

LastMinuteman Wrote:

sconer Wrote:Very valid point, but the upside is better. Of course Temple should pound Nova at every meeting. But the buzz it creates in the city is worth the game, as well as the guaranteed +30k attendance.

I'll be pulling hard for Temple, but if these two teams played this year I'd honestly expect Villanova to win 1 out of 3. Nova is a legitimate FCS Championship contender, the #1 team in FCS needed a hail mary to beat them. They put up 400 yards of offense on West Virginia (turnovers and giving up big pass plays did them in). Plus they're young, most of their key players are sophomores, they're going to be good for at least another two years. As for attendance, only 6,700 fans showed up to watch them play the #1 team in FCS, and many of those were fans of the opposing team (only a 4 hour drive). Granted, the weather wasn't great, but we're talking about #7 against #1, with the conference championship probably on the line. I don't know how big a turnout Temple can realistically expect from Nova fans.

Terrible scheduling decision, in my opinion. But I guess all's well that ends well if Temple sweeps the series. I'll feel better about it if Temple continues to improve. Just don't sleep on these guys. Watch what Nova does against New Hampshire in a couple weeks. New Hampshire and Temple had similar wins over Army (no fluke by UNH, they've beaten 4 FBS teams in a row, 2 from BCS conferences), so it'll provide a point of reference.

This is a great game for Temple and Nova. Just about every D1 team plays a D1AA including teams like Michigan (remember Appalachian St), LSU, South Carolina, many BE teams, and many more. This was a great city rivalry years ago when both teams were 1A before Nova dropped football and it is great to see it renewed again hopefully on a regular basis.

The game is also good for Temple's average attendance figures as it puts 35k in the seats that help pay the bills. The only other teams that help Temple's attendance figures are Navy and Penn St. That combination put Temple's average attendance at 35k last year while they are only averaging 17,800 this year playing both of those teams on the road. Penn St fills the Linc and Navy is good for at least 35k in the seats. Temple couldn't even average 25k a requirement to stay in the BE with BE teams coming into Philly before they were booted out.

All in all this game is great for both schools and the city of Philadelphia.

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