I'm glad this thread has taken such a ridiculous turn away from the Temple bashing (news flash - bash the posted, not the school and/or the rest of its fans) it was devolving into:

"You are either with us or against us."

"One person can create a conference."

"Ohio won the MAC in 1968 and Bo to save face fled in exile to Ann Arbor."

"The MAC stands for Ohio and allies."

"a negative view of Philly as a crap hole"

"Serious college football fans pretty much know who we are."

For those MAC fans who want Temple to join the league as a full member, I suggest using this guy as argument #! for why full MAC membership would be so much more interesting. The closest thing we've got to this kind of humor in the A-10 is St. Joe's and its "Perfect Season - 30-2" banner hanging up in their fieldhouse.

I promise not to judge all Ohio fans based on "Airport KC," so long as you all promise not to do the same with Temple fans based on "templefootballfan" - sound good? Now to seal the deal, can I interest anyone in a "Temple-UConn II: REVENGE!" lawn sign?

He must've taken a blow to the head.

Amazing you can not get intelligent conversation from college educated men. Like talking to a women, Off the wall anwsers that make no sence.
Zippy, who the hell are you to tell me to STFU. I'm grown man who has taken care of his bussiness. What school I follow has nothing with opinuns that I have. I expect you to act like grown man also.
tchaump, "don't judge temple fans by me" ARE YOU KIDDING ME. At worst I'm tolerated on this board, Temple fans are judged by the immature rants from your buddies on owlscope

Airport KC Wrote:People are glued to ESPN.com and read the Solich extension to 2013.

Curious, do you get a commission every time you mention Solich being under contract until 2013?:bcs:

<sigh>

Currently, EMU is competitive in all sports. That's what counts. Period. 8 MAC titles last year. Reese Trophy in mens sports this year. Beat NI, WMU, CMU in football last season to finish middle of the pack in football. Middle of the pack in mens basketball. Won the MAC in baseball. That's the current situation. Current is what matters. Competing is what matters.

Put any of your fine schools 5 miles from UM, and you will have the same attendance issues, pure and simple (the two football stadiums are literally 5 miles apart). Not one of your programs could overcome that.

So what if attendance is lower. Are your mighty programs above playing in a stadium with fewer people in it on occasion. Give me a break. It takes an exceptional season for EMU attendance numbers to go up. That's the nature of the location. Anyway, attendance issues are between EMU and the NCAA. We have D1 facilities, we attract excellent athletes, and we compete.

Maybe some of you want the MAC to be a bunch of small town clone schools, where the game on Sat. is the only thing going on. Personally, I like the somewhat urban environment that schools like Temple, EMU, and Akron bring to the mix. Instead of trying to figure out how to "fix EMU" you ought to be embracing what we are currently accomplishing in our unique enviroment, and looking over your shoulder for the next defeat you could very well take from the school some of you say shouldn't be in the MAC...Go Eagles!

templefootballfan Wrote:Amazing you can not get intelligent conversation from college educated men. Like talking to a women, Off the wall anwsers that make no sence.

So you're a misogynist, too. Excellent. And how exactly is pointing out that you have a nearly .333 winning percentage against the MAC an off the wall answer that makes no sense?

Why you want to kick out EMU is beyond me. That's the only school Temple has a winning record against, beside Akron, which actually has a 5-2 record against you since they've become a full-fledged I-A program. You should be pushing to be in the same division as EMU as that's the only program that's worse than yours.

Thank's zippy, you proved my point

Here's an educated woman to give my opinion. The way you and everyone else wants to "fix" EMU is to kick them out of the MAC. Well guess what, if you kick us out of the MAC, almost half of the mens' sports will LOSE their NCAA automatic bids for the other sports. You must have at least six teams to receive an automatic NCAA berth.

When you are surrounded by two Big 10 schools that are less than 60 miles apart from each other (UM and MSU), it's hard to get fans. When your board of regents would rather go to an UM or MSU game because they have season tickets, it's hard to get support. When you have students who go to a UM or MSU game because mommy, daddy, or the grandparents have season tickets, it's hard to get support. I know this feeling because I currently work at a college that have two Big 10 branch schools within a 12 mile radius (one B10 branch school is 4 miles away). Even when our college wins a big game, we get no coverage.

I know we haven't done well in football for years, but EMU is what is keeping the MAC from losing a number of NCAA bids. So don't rag on EMU.

BTW OU fans, thanks to Kirby, track and field in the MAC is on life support.

EMUTRACK1574 Wrote:Here's an educated woman to give my opinion. BTW OU fans, thanks to Kirby, track and field in the MAC is on life support. [/u]

I like women. After TFF's statement I'm almost embarrassed to be a man.

And what a pity it would be for MAC track to go under. The MAC was truly a natioanl powerhouse at one time- Gold Medals for Haisley Crawford and Wottle and Gerald Tinker.NCAA champs like Aaron Hopkins, Al Schotterman, Wottle, Sink et al. It will be a sad, sad day when somebody throws that awy totally in favor of tilting at football windmills. Anybody who belittles EMU's success in Olympic sports is pathetically shortsighted. There was a time when real sports fans on the East coast knew EMU track more than they knew OU football. People the world over knew the name Haisley Crawford-

Despite the obstacles the Eagles face, EMU's football program can elevate themselves. Look at the job Dick Tomey has done at San Jose St. They won 9 games in 06 including their bowl, Fresno, SD St and Stanford. Won 5 in 07, OT loss to Hawaii. Attendance has increased from barely over 10K in 02
http://www.ncaa.org/stats/football/atten...ndance.pdf
To almost 19K in 06
http://www.ncaa.org/stats/football/atten...ndance.pdf

Besides 2 P10 programs SJST being in the SF Bay market has 2 NFL franchises to compete with.

onlinepole Wrote:Despite the obstacles the Eagles face, EMU's football program can elevate themselves. Look at the job Dick Tomey has done at San Jose St. They won 9 games in 06 including their bowl, Fresno, SD St and Stanford. Won 5 in 07, OT loss to Hawaii. Attendance has increased from barely over 10K in 02
http://www.ncaa.org/stats/football/atten...ndance.pdf
To almost 19K in 06
http://www.ncaa.org/stats/football/atten...ndance.pdf

Besides 2 P10 programs SJST being in the SF Bay market has 2 NFL franchises to compete with.

The difference is, NFL franchises play on Sunday's where colleges play Saturday. That enables fans to enjoy one day of college football and then the next day go enjoy some pro-football. Thats not the same case where EMU is playing the same day as U of M. I believe they did a great job with the schedule this year not having any conflicts in home games with U of M. I could be wrong but when I looked before I thought that was the case.

Clyde,

Diles's first couple of years here, his royal dumbness scheduled games at the same time as UM and MSU. That was a huge mistake. I liked it when we had games starting at 7:00PM.

Airport KC Wrote:

OZoner Wrote:Ohio is the school that put the MAC together? That's mind-numbingly stupid. Veto power? Are you drunk?

Yes Don Peden created the MAC because we were outgrowing our rivals in the Ohio Athletic Conference, specifically our arch rival Ohio Wesleyan.

We threatened Miami with expulsion at the MAC meetings in 1967 and thats when Bo Schembechler said hell would freeze over before Ohio won a MAC Championship.

Ohio won the MAC in 1968 and Bo to save face fled in exile to Ann Arbor.

We showed him who's boss.

You sure did. Ohio hasn't won a MAC title in football since then. I can hardly wait until Ohio threatens to kick BG out of the MAC.

For those questiong EMU...they bring a lot to the table in other sports. Hell the BG track and golf programs have been non existent for the last couple decades. Does this mean BG should be dropped from the MAC? EMU wins a lot of MAC titles in sports like swimming, track and CC. It's a good school that has the unfavorable position of sitting 10-15 minutes from the U of M. Think of it this way...what if Ohio U was 15 minutes away from OSU? SAME thing would happen.

GO FALCONS BEAT PITT

Falconfreak Wrote:

Airport KC Wrote:

OZoner Wrote:Ohio is the school that put the MAC together? That's mind-numbingly stupid. Veto power? Are you drunk?

Yes Don Peden created the MAC because we were outgrowing our rivals in the Ohio Athletic Conference, specifically our arch rival Ohio Wesleyan.

We threatened Miami with expulsion at the MAC meetings in 1967 and thats when Bo Schembechler said hell would freeze over before Ohio won a MAC Championship.

Ohio won the MAC in 1968 and Bo to save face fled in exile to Ann Arbor.

We showed him who's boss.

It's a good school that has the unfavorable position of sitting 10-15 minutes from the U of M. Think of it this way...what if Ohio U was 15 minutes away from OSU? SAME thing would happen.

GO FALCONS BEAT PITT

Probably the same thing would happen.

However if it did happen, I'd be the very first person to recommend a move to FCS for Ohio. If we were sitting 10 minutes from OSU and drawing 2 fans a game no doubt I'd recommend it.

Thats why I can't understand why EMU fans are so adamant about staying in FBS ball. Don't you want EagleNation to be more than 2 fans?

TheClyde Wrote:

onlinepole Wrote:Despite the obstacles the Eagles face, EMU's football program can elevate themselves. Look at the job Dick Tomey has done at San Jose St. They won 9 games in 06 including their bowl, Fresno, SD St and Stanford. Won 5 in 07, OT loss to Hawaii. Attendance has increased from barely over 10K in 02
http://www.ncaa.org/stats/football/atten...ndance.pdf
To almost 19K in 06
http://www.ncaa.org/stats/football/atten...ndance.pdf

Besides 2 P10 programs SJST being in the SF Bay market has 2 NFL franchises to compete with.

The difference is, NFL franchises play on Sunday's where colleges play Saturday. That enables fans to enjoy one day of college football and then the next day go enjoy some pro-football. Thats not the same case where EMU is playing the same day as U of M. I believe they did a great job with the schedule this year not having any conflicts in home games with U of M. I could be wrong but when I looked before I thought that was the case.

The point of my post was that with a winning team and promoting their product, EMU can draw fans even in a congested market.

SJ ST has 2 P 10 programs in it's backyard to compete with those who watch college ball, If that wasn't tough enough they also have to compete with 2 NFL teams for media attention. Yet they're starting to win and grow their fanbase, if they can so can EMU.

If EMU can consistently see success in Olympic sports while in this "BigTen Shadow," then their revenue sports can see the same success. Do you think fast swimmers don't go to Michigan, that good pole vaulters don't go to MSU, but do to EMU? Of course not, if there is some percieved talent drain because of a local desire to attend UM or MSU, then why the success of non-revenue sports?

If outstanding athletic performances are commonplace at EMU, there is no reason to believe that the same consistent success couldn't be seen on the football field and the basketball court.

NIU competes in no way shape or form for Big Ten athletes, or really their fans. But then why have we not seen the admirable success of EMU and their non-revenue championships, or the football success of a Toledo or a basketball traditional like Kent? And outside of a couple years back about five years ago, NIU is as awful as EMU has been on the field and on the court, but EMU has more MAC titles last year than NIU has had total in a decade. NIU's saving grace has been pretty consistent large football crowds following some pretty exciting college football players (Michael Turner and Garrett Wolfe,) plus access to an incredible media market - but crowds are going down, we have no marquee player (but of course one may step up) and we aren't the media darling we once were.

I would actually be careful what you wish for - if EMU turns their revenue sports around, they are the conference powerhouse across the sports board.

And NIU ain't leaving either - don't say it!

I ll let Dave answer - he wrote a great article about two years ago in Motor City Journal (or something similar), who explained in detail what the EMU must do to survive the Big Blue just nine miles .

I think EMU needs a culture-change of sorts. Everyone looks at them like a community-college outside Ann Arbor for those who couldn't get into UofM. Their football team, for the vast majority of the time, has performed that way, although their basketball team has had it moments, definitely.

I don't think the shadow of AA should affect it much besides an extra push for marketing & spirit. An overhaul. But first, they have to get good coaches in there who can make a team w/o good recruits be a competitor in the league... then an overhaul and new image can start to stick.

I think you will start seeing result this year.. Winning fixes many problems. English is starting to get the type of players he has been wanting..