(02-06-2009 01:44 PM)NIUHuskies86 Wrote:  

(02-06-2009 12:54 PM)gcd Wrote:  

(02-06-2009 11:49 AM)NIU05 Wrote:  

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(02-05-2009 09:55 PM)TheNEWguy Wrote:  

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(02-05-2009 02:33 PM)TheNEWguy Wrote:  

(02-05-2009 02:22 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  I would say they landed a good class, maybe a very good one, time will tell. It's just not the out-of-this world great class we were hoping for and lacks the sizzle a few of the big names would have provided. The Machine seemed subdued and a little disappointed in his press conference and the fact that he mentioned some misses tells you all you need to know. This was the staff's first real crack at recruiting at this level and I'm sure they learned some things along the way that will make them better next time. The Yordon Center is great but I still believe the IPF will have a material impact on future recruiting. Hopefully that project gets announced soon.

Having said all that I should add that I really like most of the guys in this class. Their films (those that didn't give me vertigo) were impressive. I had seen previous film on Antoine Kirkland where he didn't look that great but he looks super in the most recent one, as do a lot of the others.

As a postscript to the press conference I loved the Machine's "we added length and strength" quote. It sounds like a Cialis commercial. I can see it now: the Machine and PJ Fleck sitting in clawfoot bathtubs on the Yordon Center balcony overlooking Brigham Field ...

You are exactly right, and this could also be an awful class. I think everyone, including Kill, was hoping for more and it didn't happen. I don't think Kill has proven to be as great a recruiter as he claimed to be, and I think he is learning that now. He has to focus on places where he can get the big name players and leave the states that don't care for us alone (LA...)

Are you serious? Your trying to win an argument that you can't prove? I'm done telling you to wait. You obviously have made up your mind that he didn't get enough or from the right state, or he picked the wrong guys from the right state, or went after too many big name players and didn't land any of them....but when we press you on it you say.....I'm not saying these aren't good kids but just as good as Novak's. All everyone else is saying is time will tell. Just cause recruiting websites rank these kids the same as most of Novaks classes, which isn't surprising regardless of how Kill billed himself, doesn't mean they will turn out the same.

What?

Are you saying that this class can't turn out to be a disaster? I think if you are willing to accept it will be an amazing class you also have to accept that it could be the worst class in history.

All I have ever said is that on paper this class isn't a plus class. It's ranked #102, that's what we have to go on and that's what I'm basing it on. I think your problem is that it bugs you that right now you don't have anything to back up your opinion that it's a "good class" all you can say is "wait".

I'm telling you that my opinion right now is that this isn't a great class, and I think you are going to have a tough time providing any data that will do anything to prove it just a little wrong. It's average on paper.

That's all I've ever said, you are trying your best to try and put other words out there but that's what I've said. You should probably try reading before you post, it would make what you post 100 times better. Kill is mad the class missed out on guys, even he said that he said, 'It burns me up". That's him, not me. Of course you can tell coach kill that he's wrong and he made up his mind already.

Your disappointed. I get it. I am not stating that it is a good class, bad class, or average class nor do I care until I see what the team is like in a couple of years. I long ago said to myself that the rankings when it comes to MAC football are pretty much a guess because we do not compete for high level prospects, regardless of what our current coach has billed himself as. You are not going to see big name recruits with big offers from big conference schools come to NIU. Get used to this idea. I don't have any issues with this class....it looks fine on paper, and I think he did what I expected him to do and get. Actually I thought he did better then that, considering this is his first job and first full class, and he got a lot of guys that had other offers. I'm glad he thinks he can do better, and I hope he does. I think you need to realize what conference and what school this and you'll feel better about what we got this week. And I'm done talking about this....go huskies.

He's been a HC for -15- years,is+45yrs old and making $350K.... I am not expecting a "learning experience". No excuses. We signed a lot of good fast players .... NOT ENOUGH of them. Now after 110 schools have signed 99% of the players, we sign a JC lineman who had no other reported offers. WTF...

Sam Hurd, Randy Drew etc were signed in the summer. So, you konw the OL is not very good because no one else was supposedly on him. I think you should call Coach Kill and tell him he is screwing up. We noe appear to have signed 23 players and are at 85 so we cannot sign anyone else. Based on that thought process, we should have never signed Michael Turner because he had how many offers, a one

Marcus Perez, who had a pretty decent NIU career (although not to the level Drew or Hurd did), was also a late signee.

My point always was and is, is that the coaches see the film, talk to the high school coach, meet the players parents, have the kid at a camp and yet there are those who have done none of this and make the assumption the this will be a great class or a bad class. I take the the angle that this will be a productive class and let it prove me wrong. I have not seen one of these players play, have not met them so who am I to say that the latest signeee is a bust because noone was supposedly on him.

DON"T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH> No ONE SAID THE JC OL WAS A BUSTER. No one on board as seen him play.

The subject remains the staff and their failure to sign MORE players. On W it was evident (read my prior posts) that we were short OL. As of W night we had only -12- OL on rides and that number ( as you should know) s/b closer to 15 maybe 16. Picking up a JC OL AFTER the window is closed w/ -2- years to play -2- is NOT a productive recruiting process. Waking up in the morning and saying " Aw H%^^ we only have -12- OL" is not a plan.You are playing catch up instead of being assertive and getting the players you originally wanted.

The late signees mentioned were HS players. Drew was a walk on. Sam Hurd got squeezed by Arizona on signing day and was signed in spring.

GCD we're limit up now? 85 on the board? .... Not a chance.

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(02-06-2009 03:31 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  DON"T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH> No ONE SAID THE JC OL WAS A BUSTER. No one on board as seen him play.

The subject remains the staff and their failure to sign MORE players. On W it was evident (read my prior posts) that we were short OL. As of W night we had only -12- OL on rides and that number ( as you should know) s/b closer to 15 maybe 16. Picking up a JC OL AFTER the window is closed w/ -2- years to play -2- is NOT a productive recruiting process. Waking up in the morning and saying " Aw H%^^ we only have -12- OL" is not a plan.You are playing catch up instead of being assertive and getting the players you originally wanted.

The late signees mentioned were HS players. Drew was a walk on. Sam Hurd got squeezed by Arizona on signing day and was signed in spring.

GCD we're limit up now? 85 on the board? .... Not a chance.

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As of the end of signing date how many plyers do you think are on rides on the NIU football program

GCD walk down the hall if they tell you less than -5- opens you're being stroked.

(02-06-2009 05:18 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  GCD walk down the hall if they tell you less than -5- opens you're being stroked.

Were you expecting a signing class of 52 or something? Just because it was possible to sign 28 players doesn't mean there were that many opens. Like I said, the staff doesn't even know exactly how many opens there are at the moment but I would be absolutely stunned if there were more than 5.

52? WOW.... that is more than I ever thought.

As I said earlier in a earlier post the MOST we could possible have sign was 37, IF 37 were open. I was hoping for a class of 28 - 30 to have signed on W, with 28 the minimum. It is disheartening to see a quality competitor like CMU sign 30 to our 22-23. We NEEDED to close ground on CMU,WMU, & BSU. I like our group just WANTED MORE.

Brandon Oliver that RB from Florida, ended up at Buffalo. I was hoping we would offer that kid. Also I still dont get how EMU got Moffit out of Chicago, he had numerous Big 12 and Big East offers, but prefers to play in front of 25 people every saturday. If he wanted to go MAC, i wish NIU would have landed him

(02-07-2009 07:17 PM)NIU32 Wrote:  Brandon Oliver that RB from Florida, ended up at Buffalo. I was hoping we would offer that kid. Also I still dont get how EMU got Moffit out of Chicago, he had numerous Big 12 and Big East offers, but prefers to play in front of 25 people every saturday. If he wanted to go MAC, i wish NIU would have landed him

Moffett had academic issues and the BCS schools weren't going to take a chance on him at the end. I don't think he had very many options by the time Signing Day rolled around.

(02-07-2009 07:17 PM)NIU32 Wrote:  Brandon Oliver that RB from Florida, ended up at Buffalo. I was hoping we would offer that kid. Also I still dont get how EMU got Moffit out of Chicago, he had numerous Big 12 and Big East offers, but prefers to play in front of 25 people every saturday. If he wanted to go MAC, i wish NIU would have landed him

Academic issues as has been stated; in addition to signing with a program for which he may be starting as a Freshmen and I have to believe being able to play for an African American HC played into his decision as well.

(02-07-2009 01:59 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  52? WOW.... that is more than I ever thought.

As I said earlier in a earlier post the MOST we could possible have sign was 37, IF 37 were open. I was hoping for a class of 28 - 30 to have signed on W, with 28 the minimum. It is disheartening to see a quality competitor like CMU sign 30 to our 22-23. We NEEDED to close ground on CMU,WMU, & BSU. I like our group just WANTED MORE.

I don't know how many ways you can say this but we can only have 85 total on rides. If Coach Kill would have signed 28 or 30 players he would have been over commited. I just don't understand where you are coming from. He gave out what he had to offer. Please if you don't believe me call the football office. Coming into this recruiting season we had about 62 players on rides, that leaves us with 23 to offer, give or take one or two. It is an impossibility for us to bring in 30 players

(02-11-2009 12:14 PM)gcd Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 01:59 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  52? WOW.... that is more than I ever thought.

As I said earlier in a earlier post the MOST we could possible have sign was 37, IF 37 were open. I was hoping for a class of 28 - 30 to have signed on W, with 28 the minimum. It is disheartening to see a quality competitor like CMU sign 30 to our 22-23. We NEEDED to close ground on CMU,WMU, & BSU. I like our group just WANTED MORE.

I don't know how many ways you can say this but we can only have 85 total on rides. If Coach Kill would have signed 28 or 30 players he would have been over commited. I just don't understand where you are coming from. He gave out what he had to offer. Please if you don't believe me call the football office. Coming into this recruiting season we had about 62 players on rides, that leaves us with 23 to offer, give or take one or two. It is an impossibility for us to bring in 30 players

If we had signed 28 and the last 5 in the class on signing day didn't have offers from what he (NIU05) saw has quality schools he wouldn't have liked it either. He isn't happy about the recruiting class and no one is going to tell him differently.

(02-12-2009 10:21 AM)NIUDiesel11 Wrote:  

(02-11-2009 12:14 PM)gcd Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 01:59 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  52? WOW.... that is more than I ever thought.

As I said earlier in a earlier post the MOST we could possible have sign was 37, IF 37 were open. I was hoping for a class of 28 - 30 to have signed on W, with 28 the minimum. It is disheartening to see a quality competitor like CMU sign 30 to our 22-23. We NEEDED to close ground on CMU,WMU, & BSU. I like our group just WANTED MORE.

I don't know how many ways you can say this but we can only have 85 total on rides. If Coach Kill would have signed 28 or 30 players he would have been over commited. I just don't understand where you are coming from. He gave out what he had to offer. Please if you don't believe me call the football office. Coming into this recruiting season we had about 62 players on rides, that leaves us with 23 to offer, give or take one or two. It is an impossibility for us to bring in 30 players

If we had signed 28 and the last 5 in the class on signing day didn't have offers from what he (NIU05) saw has quality schools he wouldn't have liked it either. He isn't happy about the recruiting class and no one is going to tell him differently.

Is anyone? Can you honestly say you are "happy" with this class? The class has a nice top group, a reformed ATM robber, and then a lot of reaches.

That doesn't pass the smell test if you will. Of course because Kill did it you probably think it's the #1 class in the nation.

The last signee is one that I question and not so much for the character issue as much as he's a 2 for 2. Harper CC OT Brody Dixon is a 1st team NJCAA and being a full qualifier out of HS is also a 3/2 guy.
http://www.njcaa.org/sports_awards.cfm?s...lect2=3171

I can't say which player is a better fit, Kill and the staff would know that; however a 3/2 guy has a big edge over a 2/2 and there's something to be said for being recognized as the best at your position by a national impartial selection body that has no axe to grind and no subscriptions to sell.

I was referring to Denegal the OT from Joliet JC

Here's a nice article on Garrett Barnas from December when he thought he was going to Syracuse. If he can do everything the article says he can then he's quite the special athlete.

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:vn63...cd=2&gl=us