eldermars Wrote:

ejmpalle Wrote:Chris Ault is a hall-of-famer and is well deserving of that. He also coached a 9-3 Nevada team last year, which was better than any MWC team, except TCU.

Was Nevada better than Colorado State too? Wait, didn't they play each other? What was the final score of that game?

I like Nevada, but they weren't better than TCU, BYU, Utah, or CSU last year (about 5th in the MWC material). We'll see how Nevada-Colorado State turns out this time around (probably much better for the Pack).

I don't give a damn if Colorado St beat them or not. They still had a better record than Colorado St and in the end that's what matters to me. SDSU also beat BYU, but that doesn't mean that SDSU is the better team.

ejmpalle Wrote:

eldermars Wrote:

ejmpalle Wrote:Chris Ault is a hall-of-famer and is well deserving of that. He also coached a 9-3 Nevada team last year, which was better than any MWC team, except TCU.

Was Nevada better than Colorado State too? Wait, didn't they play each other? What was the final score of that game? I like Nevada, but they weren't better than TCU, BYU, Utah, or CSU last year (about 5th in the MWC material).

I don't give a damn if Colorado St beat them or not. They still had a better record than Colorado St and in the end that's what matters to me.

Because they play in the weak WAC, instead of the MWC.

I bet they could've gone 10-2 playing in the Sunbelt.

eldermars Wrote:

ejmpalle Wrote:

eldermars Wrote:

ejmpalle Wrote:Chris Ault is a hall-of-famer and is well deserving of that. He also coached a 9-3 Nevada team last year, which was better than any MWC team, except TCU.

Was Nevada better than Colorado State too? Wait, didn't they play each other? What was the final score of that game? I like Nevada, but they weren't better than TCU, BYU, Utah, or CSU last year (about 5th in the MWC material).

I don't give a damn if Colorado St beat them or not. They still had a better record than Colorado St and in the end that's what matters to me.

Because they play in the weak WAC, instead of the MWC.

I bet they could've gone 10-2 playing in the Sunbelt.

So if you're going to base everything on head-to-head then SDSU was better than BYU, right?

ejmpalle Wrote:So if you're going to base everything on head-to-head then SDSU was better than BYU, right?

Colorado State beat Nevada. They shared no other opponents in common. CSU played a much tougher schedule overall than Nevada. SDSU beat BYU, beat a team that beat BYU, and lost to 3 teams that BYU beat. Overall, BYU was better than SDSU, but not by much. BYU beat Colorado State.

After beating BYU, Utah, and only losing to TCU by 3, I think that the Aztecs will be much more competitive overall this season under new head coach Chuck Long.

All I'm saying is that claiming Nevada was better than any MWC team besides TCU is just as accurate as claiming that Nevada was worse than at least 4 MWC teams: TCU, BYU, Utah, and Colorado State. And perhaps SDSU and New Mexico to boot.

eldermars Wrote:

ejmpalle Wrote:So if you're going to base everything on head-to-head then SDSU was better than BYU, right?

Colorado State beat Nevada. They shared no other opponents in common. CSU played a much tougher schedule overall than Nevada. SDSU beat BYU, beat a team that beat BYU, and lost to 3 teams that BYU beat. Overall, BYU was better than SDSU, but not by much. BYU beat Colorado State.

After beating BYU, Utah, and only losing to TCU by 3, I think that the Aztecs will be much more competitive overall this season under new head coach Chuck Long.

All I'm saying is that claiming Nevada was better than any MWC team besides TCU is just as accurate as claiming that Nevada was worse than at least 4 MWC teams: TCU, BYU, Utah, and Colorado State. And perhaps SDSU and New Mexico to boot.

For being such a dominant conference why did the MWC only have a 4-3 lead in the games played against the WAC? The most impressive victory was CSU over Nevada, and I won't make excuses that CSU caught them at a good time.

Let's look at the games.

MWC wins
#4 (tie) New Mexico beats #9 NMSU
#4 (tie) Utah beats #6 (tie) USU
#9 UNLV beats #6 (tie) Idaho
# 2 (tie) CSU beats #1 (tie) Nevada

WAC wins
#6 (tie) USU beats #9 UNLV
#1 (tie) Nevada beats #9 UNLV
#5 Hawaii beats #4 (tie) SDSU

This was even in a down year for the WAC and you still managed just a 4-3 lead last year. If the WAC is such a weak place, that would put you down there with us. Mainly a few of your better teams (Utah, NM) caught a few bottom WAC teams.

Let me ask you this. If CSU's win over Nevada means that the MWC is so much better, does that mean C-USA is so much better because SMU, the 7th place team, beat TCU? Or that UTEP beating UNM also shows that C-USA is better. After all they were 2-0 against you and they beat some of your better teams.

eldermars Wrote:

Juice752 Wrote:If you want to keep TCU you better take UTEP.

Why? TCU already left the WAC for a better conference, then left C-USA for a better conference than that. Where could the Horned Frogs possibly go next?

johnnylightnin Wrote:What's funny is how the MWC fans think that any school that's not in a BCS conference would jump at the chance to be in their conference. I don't even know if UTEP would go to the MWC...they are in the perfect Texas conference as it is. As far as Boise or Fresno, who knows. Either would obviously be a great addition, but neither one is in dire need of a change. They are in a VERY competitive western conference (and we're not just talking about one sport MWC). They are lucky that Benson doesn't seem to have that Banowsky killer instinct because MWC is one or two teams away from being the MAC-west.

UTEP is in a great conference for them. They may want to stay in CUSA-West. They make less money, get less respect, and face worse football and basketball than they would in the MWC, but they fit in decently well regionally and actually have a chance to win in that conference. Plus I don't think that they mind road trips to North Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Florida, or West Virginia all that much. And the Big east expanding won't dilute the competition in C-USA too much really.

And why would Boise State or Fresno want to join the MWC when they could stay in a conference which has at least 4 schools that could drop from I-A football and no possible replacements? Why would the Broncos want to join a more competitive conference when they've gone 31-1 in the WAC over the last 4 years? Why would Fresno State want to jump ship when they can finish 3rd in the WAC every year and still be world famous? Why would either school want to make more money playing in a more regional conference (no Hawaii or Louisiana Tech) that has better football and basketball?

I mean, the MWC is just lucky that Benson doesn't drop the whole WAC down to I-AA, or take them all independent. That would really mess up our scheduling.

The WAC is just two teams away from being non-existant (7 teams ain't a conference boys). I guess that is funny.

Do you honestly believe the MWC has more national respect than C-USA? Didn't C-USA's seventh place team beat the MWCs champion? And did you say UTEP would play more quality opponents in football and basketball if they were in the Mountain West as opposed to Conference USA? How many MWC teams made the NCAA Tournament last season? How many advanced to the Sweet Sixteen? How many made the NIT Tournament? I can answer that... not many.

erdaaggie Wrote:

eldermars Wrote:

ejmpalle Wrote:So if you're going to base everything on head-to-head then SDSU was better than BYU, right?

Colorado State beat Nevada. They shared no other opponents in common. CSU played a much tougher schedule overall than Nevada. SDSU beat BYU, beat a team that beat BYU, and lost to 3 teams that BYU beat. Overall, BYU was better than SDSU, but not by much. BYU beat Colorado State.

After beating BYU, Utah, and only losing to TCU by 3, I think that the Aztecs will be much more competitive overall this season under new head coach Chuck Long.

All I'm saying is that claiming Nevada was better than any MWC team besides TCU is just as accurate as claiming that Nevada was worse than at least 4 MWC teams: TCU, BYU, Utah, and Colorado State. And perhaps SDSU and New Mexico to boot.

For being such a dominant conference why did the MWC only have a 4-3 lead in the games played against the WAC? The most impressive victory was CSU over Nevada, and I won't make excuses that CSU caught them at a good time.

Let's look at the games.

MWC wins
#4 (tie) New Mexico beats #9 NMSU
#4 (tie) Utah beats #6 (tie) USU
#9 UNLV beats #6 (tie) Idaho
# 2 (tie) CSU beats #1 (tie) Nevada

WAC wins
#6 (tie) USU beats #9 UNLV
#1 (tie) Nevada beats #9 UNLV
#5 Hawaii beats #4 (tie) SDSU

This was even in a down year for the WAC and you still managed just a 4-3 lead last year. If the WAC is such a weak place, that would put you down there with us. Mainly a few of your better teams (Utah, NM) caught a few bottom WAC teams.

Let me ask you this. If CSU's win over Nevada means that the MWC is so much better, does that mean C-USA is so much better because SMU, the 7th place team, beat TCU? Or that UTEP beating UNM also shows that C-USA is better. After all they were 2-0 against you and they beat some of your better teams.

Hey it was a down year for MWC as well. Utah didn't go to a BCS bowl by beating nobody.

eldermars Wrote:Yes. Because the MWC being ranked as a higher basketball conference is completely irrelevant.

I guess just anyone can post on your board, eh WACies?

Our top team was better than yours last year and they'll be better this year. The cellar dwellars dragged us down a little, but watch what happens next year. MWC should stick to mediocre football and wins by former CUSA teams. You're a one school conference year after year. Utah...then TCU...who'll it be next year?

erdaaggie Wrote:For being such a dominant conference why did the MWC only have a 4-3 lead in the games played against the WAC? ...If CSU's win over Nevada means that the MWC is so much better, does that mean C-USA is so much better because SMU, the 7th place team, beat TCU?

In certain years, the MWC wins more than they lose against the Big XII or SEC... that has little affect on overall conference rankings. The MWC had a much better ranking than the WAC in every system out there last season. If it makes you feel better, I think that the WAC will win more than they lose against the MWC this year. Doesn't mean much. We'll still have a much better overall ranking. You didn't even have a SINGLE Top 25 team last year!

C-USA may be even worse. They were something like 2-17 vs the BCS last year. The MWC has been ranked above them 5 years in a row now, and the gap is widening. And their post-raid basketball (aside from Big east-bull's eye Memphis)? The MWC was about 8th nationally last year. The WAC 9th. C-USA about 17th. lmfao

Quote:but Utah, UNLV, SDSU, CSU, etc have all or are still with the oldies.

Throughouly confused by that portion of the statement since three of the four you named hired coaches in the past two seasons. You do know your conference right?

Mike Sanford - Starting 2nd year at UNLV
Chuck Long - Starting 1st year at SDSU
Kyle Whittingham - Starting 2nd year at Utah

What, did the MWC history just start this year? Utah: MCBride. SDSU: any coach with a pulse; UNLV: Robinson

eldermars Wrote:Interesting ones get $80MM and their own conference network. [/color]

I would be impressed if your conference network were acutally available outside of some of your member cities.

I would be more impressed if it were available in all of your Goat
cities.
Im not impressed having to pay to watch the Broncos play the Pokes
on my 15 inch monitor, AND HAVING TO PAY FOR IT. SCHEEESH.

gaard Wrote:

eldermars Wrote: Interesting ones get $80MM and their own conference network.

I would be impressed if your conference network were acutally available outside of some of your member cities.

Sorry, I meant $82MM. "The mtn.", though not available nationally, will also be available in Philly, Atlanta, DC, and NYC as of Sept. 1st.

And I forgot to mention, right now the MWC is the flagship football conference of 3 networks: National OLN/"Versus" (70 million viewers), National CSTV (over C-USA, about 50 million, MUCH more than ESPNU), and regional The MountainWest Sports Network (hard to estimate, only about 15 million... more than any other conference's sports network though ;-) ).

It's nice that Boise State-Utah will be on OLN/"Versus", and I wish for Bronco fans' sake that the BSU-Wyoming game would be on that same network as well (or CSTV). As of right now, the game will cost you $10 online (plus you get all other Wyoming games for a month free). It's too bad Comcast in Idaho wasn't pressured by Boise fans to add "the mtn." so you would get this one. I still think that DishNetwork and DirectTV will work out deals to carry it by 4 weeks from now though. Or, it's not too far to roadtrip! Enjoy rugged War Memorial Stadium in Laramie!

eldermars Wrote:It's too bad Comcast in Idaho wasn't pressured by Boise fans to add "the mtn." so you would get this one. I still think that DishNetwork and DirectTV will work out deals to carry it by 4 weeks from now though. Or, it's not too far to roadtrip! Enjoy rugged War Memorial Stadium in Laramie! [/color]

Comcast isn't in Boise so there is no pressure that would work. Cable One that serves Boise isn't aware what its customers want no matter how many times you call them. The hope is for disk or direct since a trip to Laramie is out of the question this year. If they hadn't moved the start time to 1pm, I could have just made it.

Well, I guess I got my answer on the mtn.

http://www.abqtrib.com/albq/sp_lobos/art...85,00.html

Who cares if the mountain will be in Atlanta and Philadelphia. Nobody in those cities care about the Mountain west. They confuse MWC and WAC teams on the east coast. LOL they will see the Mtn on the tv listings and just think it is a gay porn channel. lmfao

To prove the WAC is a better conference I would like to see NMSU take New Mejico to the woodshed this year. I know we will beat them in basketball it would be nice if we not only beat them in football but hand it to them. I would like NMSU to beat UNM 45-0 something like that in football this year.

Lobo fans would not know what happened.

eldermars Wrote:

gaard Wrote:

eldermars Wrote: Interesting ones get $80MM and their own conference network.

I would be impressed if your conference network were acutally available outside of some of your member cities.

Sorry, I meant $82MM. "The mtn.", though not available nationally, will also be available in Philly, Atlanta, DC, and NYC as of Sept. 1st.

Do you have a source for that? The last I heard it's only available in Utah and parts of Colorado and New Mexico. I read some speculation that Comcast might try to put it on the air in some other markets, but I haven't seen anything indicating that it's a done deal.

eldermars Wrote:UTEP is in a great conference for them. They may want to stay in CUSA-West.

We do, so any discussion about whether the MWC is interested in UTEP or not is moot because UTEP is not interested in the MWC. UTEP could go west if necessity forced it(such as when the Border conference dissolved and we couldn't get into the SWC) but frankly we prefer to look east because we see ourselves as a Texas school. The MWC does not offer anything UTEP wants and does not already have. CUSA on the other hand offers plenty of things that we like. The only way UTEP ever moves west again is if the Pac-10 comes calling. The Pac-10 is the only western league that UTEP would listen to.

StanfordAggie Wrote:

eldermars Wrote:

gaard Wrote:

eldermars Wrote: Interesting ones get $80MM and their own conference network.

I would be impressed if your conference network were acutally available outside of some of your member cities.

Sorry, I meant $82MM. "The mtn.", though not available nationally, will also be available in Philly, Atlanta, DC, and NYC as of Sept. 1st.

Do you have a source for that? The last I heard it's only available in Utah and parts of Colorado and New Mexico. I read some speculation that Comcast might try to put it on the air in some other markets, but I haven't seen anything indicating that it's a done deal.

I have heard that DirecTV and Dish Network were in talks to pick up the station as part of their sports packages.

It's interesting to read the original blogger's response to message board responses to his original blog...

http://kutv.com/davidjames/local_story_217013020.html


[i] Who knew?

I know Utah and BYU fans obsess about Pac-10 expansion, although I don