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USU78 Wrote:And don't forget L.A. State and Santa Babs, who dropped it as well.
That was before my time.

There is nothing sadder than a school dropping football. Football is the heart and soul of a schools' athletic program.

Heck, I still feel bad about Gonzago dropping football and that happend many years before I was born......
05-10-2004 04:42 PM
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bob, you owe me a beer. could've said something, didn't.

BUT...

if you look at 100+ years ago, athletics was a legitimate part of education; it was essentially a physical curriculum entwined with the academic one as a fully integrated education.

today, it's little more than an entertainment industry -- football and men's basketball in particular. you could also argue that intercollegiate sports is a social necessity and outlet for students, but more than that it's these two sports that gain an otherwise relatively unknown school true national notoriety. that's why a solid FB and BB program results in dollars for a school, and why those who lose money are using it as little more than a marketing tactic for the university, albeit a powerful one.

now, that's not the case with some schools; the ivy league is a great example. for instance, how many kids know about harvard because their football team is a winner?

the answer, i hope, is none. particularly since their football team SUCKS. but they gained national recognition long before sports rose to unprecedented popularity, sociological importance and widespread credence.

universities today realize this truth. which is why they'd invest -- and frequently lose -- enormous amounts of money on football and men's basketball programs solely in hopes of boosting their school's recognition, because that more than just about anything else is what draws potential students into their institution.

otherwise, you'd see the SJSU's and Idaho's and Northwesterns and WSU's of the world eliminating unprofitable spectator athletics, selling the facilities and focusing exclusively on academics.

JMO.

where was i.

oh yeah.

broncobob, STAY OUT OF MY BOOZE.

you too, TUfan...
















no. wait. drink up, TUfan. you have much love to give, i hear....

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Montana. Montana. Montana.
Simple as that.
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my votes for both Idaho & Montana
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golfdog Wrote:Montana. Montana. Montana.
Simple as that.
Boy, if you could find a way to pry Montana out of the Big Sky Conference, they would be a great addition to the WAC.

Montana was really my favorite rival in the old Big Sky (less idaho and Nevada)! Griz have great fans and great support and there are bunch of alumni in Boise that are rabid fans. You see them at the sports bars watching the Montana broadcasts.
05-11-2004 08:27 AM
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Big Blue Wrote:Southern Utah is in the Mid Con but they are talking about joining the "new" Big West which will sponsor 1AA football so that UC Davis, Sac State, Pacific (rumored to be back in) and possibly Cal-Northridge can have a place in the conference to play football. They are also talking about adding UVSC in Provo.

Denver is a great fit for the WAC! Can't wait to play those Hockey games! :wave:
Charter members of the Great West Conference include California Polytechnic State University, University of California at Davis, North Dakota State University, University of Northern Colorado, Saint Mary's College of California, South Dakota State University and Southern Utah University.


The Great West at inception, and as you all know St Mary's dropped football.
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Although there a plenty of Griz fans who want to move to the 1A. I think there are more that want to stay at the 1AA level. As seen here the debate on our boards are just, wait more, heated than these are here. I am one of those who want to stay where we are until the playoff mess( how I see it) in 1A is fixed and taken care of. That is by no means a slight to anyone on this board. No matter what happens the final decision will be made without much regard to our wishes. Thanks for the invite over to your board Broncobob. Go Griz
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polsongriz Wrote:Although there a plenty of Griz fans who want to move to the 1A. I think there are more that want to stay at the 1AA level. As seen here the debate on our boards are just, wait more, heated than these are here. I am one of those who want to stay where we are until the playoff mess( how I see it) in 1A is fixed and taken care of. That is by no means a slight to anyone on this board. No matter what happens the final decision will be made without much regard to our wishes. Thanks for the invite over to your board Broncobob. Go Griz
Most people in the west are aware of the Montana history. Montana will move when they feel it is right for them. I think they would be a good addition to the WAC and look forward to the renewed rivalry with BSU, if and when it happens.
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And think about it, what would the Griz want more, a 1-AA National Championship or a toilet bowl win?? :rolleyes:
I think Ill take the national title anyday. 04-cheers
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Idaho is the only realistic School. Everyone else is wishful thinking.
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that's what the WAC thought about Boise State University in 2000!!!

we'd like to think, anyway...
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Hey Griz newbie, we've done both: win 1AA nat'l championship and win D1 bowl games and we're qualified to make the comparison, you are 100% ignorant to the realities of it.

We wouldn't go back to the puny, insignificant 1AA if we had to. The nation sees it as a 'cute' little conglomeration of wannabes. Give me AP top15, multiple ESPN appearnaces every year and a bowl win anyday. :wave: Buh Bye.
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Roughrider Wrote:Hey Griz newbie, we've done both: win 1AA nat'l championship and win D1 bowl games and we're qualified to make the comparison, you are 100% ignorant to the realities of it.

We wouldn't go back to the puny, insignificant 1AA if we had to. The nation sees it as a 'cute' little conglomeration of wannabes. Give me AP top15, multiple ESPN appearnaces every year and a bowl win anyday. :wave: Buh Bye.

Half the GrizNation agrees with you RoughRider. The rest are afraid to have a couple losing seasons while the program builds to 1A quality. They are just spoiled.

The bottom line is that the University is going to do what they think is best and the fans have little to say about it.

By the way, I've heard many 1AA posters refer to Mid Major 1A programs as wantabes because they are persuing a dream that will never be realized. Even though I like the idea of moving up it is just for the higher level of competition. I know Montana, Boise, Nevada, and Fresno will never ever win a 1A National Championship. If they think they can, they are the ultimate wantabes.
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As long as there's no playoff, you are 100% correect. The ultimate prize escapes our reach.

I just argue that the prizes we have access to exceed the value of the 1AA national title.
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Roughrider Wrote:As long as there's no playoff, you are 100% correect. The ultimate prize escapes our reach.

I just argue that the prizes we have access to exceed the value of the 1AA national title.


And I agree with you 100% on that.

The best prize is the extra exposure nationwide the University would get with football loving students.

If there are 1000 students that come to Montana now because of the football program, then I argue that number would double with National exposure that the University would receive as a 1A program.

Another 1000 students coming to Montana because we have a high profile football team could bring an extra $7-$8,000,000 in revenue to the University. Tuition, books, supplies, housing, meals, logo clothing and gear, etc.

I think the positives for a move up way outweigh the negatives.
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If you talk to our AD, he'll tell you that donations from alumni and booster from around the country increased dramatically with the move to D1 and especially with the recent success. And the donations are not just for the athletic department either.
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I think Montana would still be able to have winning season if they made a jump to 1A football. I've heard a lot comments in the past that uses Boise State as an example of a school making a jump up and suffering a 2 bad years. I have always been of the opinion that our 2 bad years had more to do with the turmoil of a very popular head coach suddenly being diagnosed with cancer and the disruption in the head coaching position that the illness caused. Had the head coach, Pokey Allen, continued to be able to handle the direction of the team without the being plagued by the terminal cancer, the team I'm sure would have stayed better focused.

Sadly, we lost Pokey and within a 4 years had 4 head coaches. But we did hire a very capable head coach and stability in coaching staff righted a listing ship...and now look at what we've done.

Montana has a stable coaching staff and has always had a long tradition of winning and winning big. Even as a 1AA team they have beaten PAC-10 and other 1A teams; and they have some of the most rabid and loyal fans anywhere! Their education credentials are well earned and respected.If their leadership were to decide to step up, Montana would be a great addition to any league.
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TahoeBronco Wrote:I think Montana would still be able to have winning season if they made a jump to 1A football. I've heard a lot comments in the past that uses Boise State as an example of a school making a jump up and suffering a 2 bad years. I have always been of the opinion that our 2 bad years had more to do with the turmoil of a very popular head coach suddenly being diagnosed with cancer and the disruption in the head coaching position that the illness caused. Had the head coach, Pokey Allen, continued to be able to handle the direction of the team without the being plagued by the terminal cancer, the team I'm sure would have stayed better focused.

Sadly, we lost Pokey and within a 4 years had 4 head coaches. But we did hire a very capable head coach and stability in coaching staff righted a listing ship...and now look at what we've done.

Montana has a stable coaching staff and has always had a long tradition of winning and winning big. Even as a 1AA team they have beaten PAC-10 and other 1A teams; and they have some of the most rabid and loyal fans anywhere! Their education credentials are well earned and respected.If their leadership were to decide to step up, Montana would be a great addition to any league.
The jump to D1A is a very big decision and not to be made without studying all angles. Montana will make the jump one day, but not by 2005.

I looke forward to playing Montana in football again.
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North Texas State? Ugh...we changed our name a LONG time ago. We are...North Texas.

Oh, and no to the WAC unless we can bring Louisiana-Laf. and Arkansas State with us.
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PerryGreen Wrote:North Texas State? Ugh...we changed our name a LONG time ago. We are...North Texas.

Oh, and no to the WAC unless we can bring Louisiana-Laf. and Arkansas State with us.
Is it UNT or NTU?
Noticed the college radio station is KNTU, but other places I have seen UNT!
So which is it?
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