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Fresno St. has K State and Oregon St.
I hope they win at least one.

Hawai'i has Northwestern and Michigan St.

Boise St, unfortunately, the WAC champs again will only have one game against a BCS team, and it is at home.

Nevada has no BCS opponent.

Lousiana Tech has Auburn and Miami, both on the road.

I don't care much about the departing WAC teams.

SJS, hopefully we can win at least one, against Washington and Stanford, both on the road. I think our best bet is at Stanford, since we won there 3 straight from 98-00, but lost the next three.


Good luck WAC Teams.
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SJS1 Wrote:Fresno St. has K State and Oregon St.
I hope they win at least one.

Hawai'i has Northwestern and Michigan St.

Boise St, unfortunately, the WAC champs again will only have one game against a BCS team, and it is at home.

Nevada has no BCS opponent.

Lousiana Tech has Auburn and Miami, both on the road.

I don't care much about the departing WAC teams.

SJS, hopefully we can win at least one, against Washington and Stanford, both on the road. I think our best bet is at Stanford, since we won there 3 straight from 98-00, but lost the next three.


Good luck WAC Teams.
One is better than none....

I will choose to embrace the WAC teams leaving in this, their final year. I just hope the teams that are staying can win their games versus the teams that are leaving.

That being said, Tulsa will be tough in Football and UTEP will be tough in basketball. Both of those teams will be title contenders.
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SJS1 Wrote:Fresno St. has K State and Oregon St.


Hawai'i has Northwestern and Michigan St.

Boise State has Oregon St.


Lousiana Tech has Auburn and Miami

SJS has Washington and Stanford,
Fresno St. has K State and Oregon St. - Looks like 2 road losses to me.


Hawai'i has Northwestern and Michigan St. - Hawaii could win both of these home games.

Boise State has Oregon St. - Should be a win for the WAC here.


Lousiana Tech has Auburn and Miami - 2 more losses,

SJS has Washington and Stanford - 2 more losses,
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i agree with most of your assessment, but i think FSU has a good chance at beating Oregon State. i'd say the K-State game is a long shot.

hawaii gets both NW and MSU at home late in the season. assuming they haven't been bit by the injury bug, i'd think they should win both games, no question.

BSU vs OSU -- toss-up. if BSU doesn't start beating these BCS teams, i'm going to start wondering if it's a mental issue.

La Tech vs Auburn; i don't know which of either team will show up. complete toss-up, though auburn will undoubtedly be favored heavily.

the rest are probably L's.
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broncobob Wrote:
SJS1 Wrote:Fresno St. has K State and Oregon St.
I hope they win at least one.

Hawai'i has Northwestern and Michigan St.

Boise St, unfortunately, the WAC champs again will only have one game against a BCS team, and it is at home.

Nevada has no BCS opponent.

Lousiana Tech has Auburn and Miami, both on the road.

I don't care much about the departing WAC teams.

SJS, hopefully we can win at least one, against Washington and Stanford, both on the road. I think our best bet is at Stanford, since we won there 3 straight from 98-00, but lost the next three.


Good luck WAC Teams.
One is better than none....

I will choose to embrace the WAC teams leaving in this, their final year. I just hope the teams that are staying can win their games versus the teams that are leaving.

That being said, Tulsa will be tough in Football and UTEP will be tough in basketball. Both of those teams will be title contenders.
I agree, I hope staying teams beat SMU (should be easy even for us), Rice, UTEP (easy) and Tulsa (we got robbed last year).

But to be honest, I was hoping Boise St. (WAC's premiere team) will take an 03 Fresno St. like schedule and roll all over them with at least double digit victories. It will be good for Boise and good for the WAC since BSU has a legit shot to go in a BCS bowl game, but not with a light road schedule.

I hope we can do our part this season to strengthened the WAC. Our road games at San Diego St., Washington and Stanford are critical.
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Tulsa has Oklahoma State and Kansas -- both on the road.

I doubt SJSU will win in Tulsa this season. We won with our Freshman QB that had played maybe four minutes all season...maybe.

Boise will be our toughest conference game, but in Tulsa...anything's possible.
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TUfan Wrote:Tulsa has Oklahoma State and Kansas -- both on the road.

I doubt SJSU will win in Tulsa this season. We won with our Freshman QB that had played maybe four minutes all season...maybe.

Boise will be our toughest conference game, but in Tulsa...anything's possible.
Nothing wrong with wishful thinking. 04-cheers
I was at the last game, that loss to Tulsa hurts.

Good luck with OOC games. It seems that most WAC teams have at least two BCS games, and most are on the road.

Since BSU is the WAC's powerhouse, they should be the team attempting an on the road win against these BCS along with Fresno St.

Since for us to win the WAC is not highly realistic, I really wish for a BCS win, especially against Stanford. Since in the bay area, the 49ers, Raiders, A's, Giants, Warriors, Sharks, Stanford and Cal get the most media attention in that order. An SJS win, say against SMU, does not even get highlights. A win against Stanford, then we get front page of the Sports Section and extensive media coverage.
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Well, Tulsa has a good shot at Kansas. OSU...may need a little help. 03-wink

Next season TU has Minnesota in Tulsa. I think we go to OU for one more game too. Maybe that's next season? I forget. In the past 5 years or so TU has had OU, OSU, Kansas and a few others in to Tulsa. We've been fortunate.
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okay, here's a challenge for everyone on this board:

--> How do your AD's go about scheduling OOC games?

this topic comes up far too often (IMO) by teams trying to bash boise state's scheduling, but my understanding is that these BCS/mid OOC games are:
1) often scheduled many years in advance
2) dependent entirely on the BCS team's desires (most seem unwilling to schedule an away OOC game against a non-BCS team, though some will do a 1-for-1 or 2-for-1 deal)
3) frequently canceled by the BCS team when a better offer comes along

i see teams attack BSU's coach hawkins for "purposely scheduling powderpuff teams", but my understanding is that it's mostly up to the AD to negotiate and finalize schedules, plus hawk hasn't had anything to do with the lack of BCS teams scheduled in recent years, or even in the next couple of years. it doesn't help that BSU as only been 1A for a few seasons; these things take time.

somebody explain how it works. i know someone out there knows.

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1boisebro Wrote:okay, here's a challenge for everyone on this board:

--> How do your AD's go about scheduling OOC games?

this topic comes up far too often (IMO) by teams trying to bash boise state's scheduling, but my understanding is that these BCS/mid OOC games are:
1) often scheduled many years in advance
2) dependent entirely on the BCS team's desires (most seem unwilling to schedule an away OOC game against a non-BCS team, though some will do a 1-for-1 or 2-for-1 deal)
3) frequently canceled by the BCS team when a better offer comes along

i see teams attack BSU's coach hawkins for "purposely scheduling powderpuff teams", but my understanding is that it's mostly up to the AD to negotiate and finalize schedules, plus hawk hasn't had anything to do with the lack of BCS teams scheduled in recent years, or even in the next couple of years. it doesn't help that BSU as only been 1A for a few seasons; these things take time.

somebody explain how it works. i know someone out there knows.

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I see your point and my intent was not to bash. I have so much respect, in fact, envious where BSU's program is headed.

SJS deal with Stanford is a 3 for 1. A fair deal IMO since Stanford has everything to lose by playing us with minimal to gain. BSU should consider even a 2-1 and give the BCS team a bucket of whoop ******.

I am sure BCS teams have minimal desire to play the nons on the road so we should just take it the way it is and try to beat them there. Sure, the AD's call the shots but the pressure from booster makes a whole world of difference.

SJS scheduling "body bag" matches on the road against top teams like Ohio St, Illinois (whom we beat), Florida, etc. has a lot to do with the guaranteed money, everything else is a distant second. I don't know much about the health of BSU's athletic budget, but maybe its more than enough that there is no desire to schedule guaranteed money against BCS teams on the road. But there should be a lot of desire to beat them at their home turf.
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my post wasn't a bash on anyone on this board, but merely something that's come up time and again on other boards.

everyone wants BSU to play a tougher OOC schedule. i think most (not all) boise state fans feel that way, too (some people think it's pointless to subject your team to a brutal OOC schedule when winning your conference should be the #1 priority.)

people seem to forget, too, that BSU is really in its infancy as a 1A program. our recent and, to some degree, current schedule was made when we were still considered a 1AA program. it's tough to overcome that; it takes time, so when fresno fans, for example, bash BSU's scheduling, i find it laughable and naive on their part.

no doubt BSU would like to fill its coffers by playing the tennessees and oklahomas and miamis of the world on the road. in fact, in the last few years, BSU has played arkansas (twice), south carolina, wisconsin, oregon state, UCLA, iowa state and washington state -- with only OSU agreeing to play in boise, and iowa state coming here in a bowl bid. our record is less than ideal of course, only beating iowa state, but we are scheduling these teams already, and more will come. truth is, BSU is 1-1 versus BCS teams over the last two seasons when our team has been exceptional, and 2-0 against top 25 teams. that ain't too bad, either.

my post was really a genuine question to anyone who knows: how DO mid-major teams schedule their OOC games? do teams like fresno and hawaii really "whore" themselves by playing any team, anywhere? does BSU really hold out in hopes of scheduling a 2-for-1 to ensure a BCS team plays at bronco stadium?

i really don't know.
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OSU and TU have had 1 for 1's (actually it was like 2-2 or 3-3 on the last one). OU is/was a 2-1. Kansas is a 1-1. I don't know about MN.

Scheduling is a coach and an AD working together. It takes both of them.
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TUfan Wrote:OSU and TU have had 1 for 1's (actually it was like 2-2 or 3-3 on the last one). OU is/was a 2-1. Kansas is a 1-1. I don't know about MN.

Scheduling is a coach and an AD working together. It takes both of them.
According to Chuck Bell, SJS's AD, he once said that the relationship he built during the years makes scheduling guaranteed money (500k or more) on the road against top BCS teams possible.

In the case of SJS, it was mostly the AD. For example, when Chuckee scheduled Ohio St (in 2002, a decent season when we went 6-7 with a win against Illinois on the road), Coach Hill wasn't too happy; 1. No bye week in a 13 game season with 9 on the road. 2. The body bag match against would be Nat'l champs was in the middle of conference play.

Even though games are scheduled a year or two ahead, BSU should be able to rid themselves of playing, say Idaho (forfeit the guarantee) and take a "risky" road game with minimal guaranteed money just for the opportunity to beat the big boys which IMO, BSU is capable of doing.
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1boisebro Wrote:my post wasn't a bash on anyone on this board, but merely something that's come up time and again on other boards.

everyone wants BSU to play a tougher OOC schedule. i think most (not all) boise state fans feel that way, too (some people think it's pointless to subject your team to a brutal OOC schedule when winning your conference should be the #1 priority.)
Also, I understand why you think this way. Most of the bashing were done by Fresno St. fans so try not to think that other WAC fans are the same.

For example, 99.9% of us SJS boosters were totally embarassed about the stomping of the Bronco logo in your turf by the few bad apples in our team. Many of us wrote to Coach Hill to make sure nothing like that happens again since it does not represent the true Spartan fans.
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SJS1 Wrote:
TUfan Wrote:OSU and TU have had 1 for 1's (actually it was like 2-2 or 3-3 on the last one). OU is/was a 2-1.  Kansas is a 1-1. I don't know about MN.

Scheduling is a coach and an AD working together.  It takes both of them.
According to Chuck Bell, SJS's AD, he once said that the relationship he built during the years makes scheduling guaranteed money (500k or more) on the road against top BCS teams possible.

In the case of SJS, it was mostly the AD. For example, when Chuckee scheduled Ohio St (in 2002, a decent season when we went 6-7 with a win against Illinois on the road), Coach Hill wasn't too happy; 1. No bye week in a 13 game season with 9 on the road. 2. The body bag match against would be Nat'l champs was in the middle of conference play.

Even though games are scheduled a year or two ahead, BSU should be able to rid themselves of playing, say Idaho (forfeit the guarantee) and take a "risky" road game with minimal guaranteed money just for the opportunity to beat the big boys which IMO, BSU is capable of doing.
Problem is that the Idaho State Board of Education dictates that Boise State plays Idaho, so Boise State has no choice. That is okay, cuz it looks like Idaho will be a WAC member in 2005, so all the WAC teams will be playing Idaho and it will open a OOC game for Boise State to schedule a better opponent.
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SJS1 Wrote:
1boisebro Wrote:my post wasn't a bash on anyone on this board, but merely something that's come up time and again on other boards.

everyone wants BSU to play a tougher OOC schedule. i think most (not all) boise state fans feel that way, too (some people think it's pointless to subject your team to a brutal OOC schedule when winning your conference should be the #1 priority.)
Also, I understand why you think this way. Most of the bashing were done by Fresno St. fans so try not to think that other WAC fans are the same.

For example, 99.9% of us SJS boosters were totally embarassed about the stomping of the Bronco logo in your turf by the few bad apples in our team. Many of us wrote to Coach Hill to make sure nothing like that happens again since it does not represent the true Spartan fans.
I think most Boise State fans understand the bad apple deal. I have been talking to Anthony for years on websites and I think most Spartan fans are great. Most of the bad apples as far as fans go are from Idaho and Fresno. But that makes sense, since they are probably Boise States' 2 biggest rivals along with Nevada.
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