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LilRedTerp Wrote:Simple...we remove him when we have absolute proof of a link between Iraq and Al Queda, and thusly, 9/11.  Also, after we have exhausted all means of the diplomatic sort.

Iraq in no way whatsoever has a monopoly on monstrosity.  We have allies right now that have severe human rights violations...and we've been known to hand over our "tougher" prisoners to countries that have a little less qualms about torturing info out of a prisoner.  Going in because he's a monster (and he is) is NOT a valid excuse at this point in time--simply because it's hypocritical.

Great...so we foster regime change and give the Iraqi people democracy.  What then is to stop nations all over the world deciding to implement their own forms of "pre-emptive strikes" and invading their neighbors because the moral authority of the United States has been ripped to shreds by its own actions?  What do we do then?  I'm afraid this war will start us on a slippery slope that we won't soon recover from...and that's not something I'm willing to initiate until all possible diplomatic solutions have been exhausted.
All diplomatic solutions have been exhausted. Saddam is just buying time where ever he can. 1) He won't allow UN inspectors full access to his labs, 2) he hides his labs on trucks that move throughout the country to avoid these very inspectors, 3) the government tells the scientists what to say and threaten their families if they do anything else. This war is not over 9/11 nor do we need a link of Saddam to Al Qaeda or 9/11. This war is to prevent another surpise attack on the US and its citizens.

And yes, going in because he is evil is a legitimite explanation for war. And in what ways is it hypocritical? We are ridding the world of a very dangerous threat to not only the US but to our allies, the Middle East, and Europe. The time to talk is over. Saddam has refused to cooperate. The time to act is now!
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Then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. 03-wink

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LilRedTerp Wrote:Then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. 03-wink

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Good Point about Sadaams history, this guy has done some horrid things, it's funny how the middle eastern countries bash everything the US does and overlooks many things in their own region, oh yeah I forgot , all their problems are our fault as well. After spending over a year in the middle east and following the post 911 world issues, it seems many of these muslim nations are a mix of racists, religious fanatics, and simply hateful to all who are different from themselves.
This war is about more than just oil!
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LRT seems to imply that to do this 'preemptive strike' would alter our ways of international relations. I would agree, and say that it has already had drastic implications on our foreign and domestic policy already. in some ways, perhaps terrorism did succeed, in making our country more closed than before.
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SDSundevil Wrote:Good Point about Sadaams history, this guy has done some horrid things, it's funny how the middle eastern countries bash everything the US does and overlooks many things in their own region, oh yeah I forgot , all their problems are our fault as well. After spending over a year in the middle east and following the post 911 world issues, it seems many of these muslim nations are a mix of racists, religious fanatics, and simply hateful to all who are different from themselves.
This war is about more than just oil!
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T-Monay820 Wrote:
SDSundevil Wrote:After spending over a year in the middle east and following the post 911 world issues, it seems many of these muslim nations are a mix of racists, religious fanatics, and simply hateful to all who are different from themselves.
This war is about more than just oil!
Yeah, another country has quite a few of those types of people. I'll let you guess which one.

Yeah, it's about more then oil -- it's about defeating this thing called terrorism, which, in reality, can never be defeated. You can reduce the risk of it happening, but if someone breaks through US security, they could do some damage. It amazes me their has not been an additional attack (even a small scale one) on US soil since 9/11.
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SSJT Wrote:
T-Monay820 Wrote:
SDSundevil Wrote:After spending over a year in the middle east and following the post 911 world issues, it seems many of these muslim nations are a mix of racists, religious fanatics, and simply hateful to all who are different from themselves.
This war is about more than just oil!
Yeah, another country has quite a few of those types of people. I'll let you guess which one.

Yeah, it's about more then oil -- it's about defeating this thing called terrorism, which, in reality, can never be defeated. You can reduce the risk of it happening, but if someone breaks through US security, they could do some damage. It amazes me their has not been an additional attack (even a small scale one) on US soil since 9/11.
The Department of Homeland Security has been wonderful so far. You can't say it's a waste when nothing has happened for a year and a half. And... you know things have been attempted.
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nate jonesacc Wrote:
SSJT Wrote:
T-Monay820 Wrote:
SDSundevil Wrote:After spending over a year in the middle east and following the post 911 world issues, it seems many of these muslim nations are a mix of racists, religious fanatics, and simply hateful to all who are different from themselves.
This war is about more than just oil!
Yeah, another country has quite a few of those types of people. I'll let you guess which one.

Yeah, it's about more then oil -- it's about defeating this thing called terrorism, which, in reality, can never be defeated. You can reduce the risk of it happening, but if someone breaks through US security, they could do some damage. It amazes me their has not been an additional attack (even a small scale one) on US soil since 9/11.
The Department of Homeland Security has been wonderful so far. You can't say it's a waste when nothing has happened for a year and a half. And... you know things have been attempted.
Did I say it was a waste? Reducing the risk of terrorism in the country is exactly what the department is for, and it's helped. What I don't like is the massive funding in the budget that is going towards defense -- overfunding something does not guarantee safety. You utilize what you already have, and put the money to good use.
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SSJT Wrote:Yeah, it's about more then oil -- it's about defeating this thing called terrorism, which, in reality, can never be defeated. You can reduce the risk of it happening, but if someone breaks through US security, they could do some damage.
True, but you always want to do what ever you can to make it as near to impossible to complete an attack. Impossbile to stop, but possible to reduce.
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I don't think that was a direct address to you, SSJT. Kind of like a "you shouldn't run with scissors" thing where "one" could easily be swapped.
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Does anyone else here find it ironic that France and Germany are so opposed to military action in Iraq, their countries will be hit before the US whether it be by terrorism or a bomb!
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I wouldn't necessarily say that.
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SDSundevil Wrote:Does anyone else here find it ironic that France and Germany are so opposed to military action in Iraq, their countries will be hit before the US whether it be by terrorism or a bomb!
France and Germany are just a bunch of pussys. Like I said, the only thing we have to worry about if the french don't jump on board, is our troops will have to cook for themselves after they roll through another 200 miles of Iraq each day. And everyone knows that the only people the Luftwaffe can beat are the french (of course) and the polish knights. We don't need them, but I highly recommend that they join us or be left behind.
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If France or Germany does not support our actions, that's fine. That doesn't mean they're enemies.

Just remember what country won the American Revolution and allowed us to become an independent nation.
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I believe their was a bombing in France a few months back, their countries are more vunerable to the urban type of terrorist attacks than the US, and logistically its much easier to transport weapons or launch weapons of mass destruction to locations within those countries, therefore I think they will be targeted by the more low tech type of terrorists, and if Iraq or a similiar nation were to develop weapons of mass destruction and decide to use them, they would be far more effective in europe than North America.

Also Koreas version of the ICBM which "could possibly reach the US" is just that , it "could possible reac the US" that would be a very long shot with their current capabilities.

I still feel that war with Iraq is emminent, and will come within two weeks, I don't wish for war but I feel it is the best solution at this point, Iraq has been making its bed for over a decade and now they will sleep in it. Many protesters say they fear collatteral damage to innocent civilians, this is unfortunate. I can tell you this, the US will do everything possible to avoid this, and unfortunately there will inevitably be some innocent lives lost, but far fewer than if we ignore the problem. Many Iraqi civilians die innocently every day at the hands of their own govt. So the "collateral" damage everyone is so concerned about, will be minamal and temporary, as opposed to ongoing and widespread , as it is in today's Iraq.


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SDSundevil Wrote:Many protesters say they fear collatteral damage to innocent civilians, this is unfortunate. I can tell you this, the US will do everything possible to avoid this, and unfortunately there will inevitably be some innocent lives lost, but far fewer than if we ignore the problem. Many Iraqi civilians die innocently every day at the hands of their own govt. So the "collateral" damage everyone is so concerned about, will be minamal and temporary, as opposed to ongoing and widespread , as it is in today's Iraq.
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You never hear the protesters address the situation at hand in Iraq, nor do they offer any realistic way of ousting Sadaam and improving the Govt and quality of life there, they simple point towards negotiation, which has failed time and time again over a period of several, years!


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