rocketfootball Wrote:You failed to mention the good teams in the MAC that would play Mississippi tough.

Toledo
Northern Illinois
Bowling Green
Marshall
Miami (OH)
UCF (well, maybe not)

You're missing my point. I will give you Marshall and maybe Toledo that would give Ole Miss a dog fight every year. But that leaves 12 other teams that Ole Miss would run through. Toledo and Marshall are the only two teams out of that conference that are worth noting. The others are merely recipients of beating a top team every now and then that overlooks them. Simple as that. But any team in the SEC would have a field day with that kind of schedule.

10MAN Wrote:You're missing my point. I will give you Marshall and maybe Toledo that would give Ole Miss a dog fight every year. But that leaves 12 other teams that Ole Miss would run through. Toledo and Marshall are the only two teams out of that conference that are worth noting. The others are merely recipients of beating a top team every now and then that overlooks them. Simple as that. But any team in the SEC would have a field day with that kind of schedule.

Bowling Green is 6-1 against their last 7 BCS opponents. Northern Illinois has won 3 straight games against BCS opponents.

Kansas State's loss to Marshall Saturday was their first OOC loss at home in quite a while, something like 7 or 8 years I think. Their last loss at home in OOC........Northern Illinois!

Miami OH beat LSU a few years back when they were ranked #7 or #8, I can't remember which. Miami has beat Virginia Tech when they were ranked a few years back too.

There is more than just Toledo and Marshall in the MAC.

Schadenfreude Wrote:Memphis?

UNLV 28 Toledo 18.....your point?

For Memphis, Ole Miss is their bowl game, that's coming from some of their fans' own admission. They get up to play us, we did not. That is only their 9th win against us in 53 tries. Goes back to the squirrel and the nut theory. Keep trying. :wave:

rocketfootball Wrote:There is more than just Toledo and Marshall in the MAC.

You're right.....12 patsies! Squirrel=nut!

Guys look....I started responding to rocketfootball's thread here because of a similar thread he and I and a few others had a while back, back in the offseason. This is a joke people. I'm simply messing with rocketfootball......that is all!
The MAC definitely opened some eyes yesterday, and impressed the entire country. Congratulations on such a big day for your conference. :wave:

Would that be 6-1 against teams who played in BCS games or teams that merely belong to BCS conferences?

Quote:No Top 25 ballot will make sense this week unless it includes at least three MAC teams. One can't rank Purdue without ranking Bowling Green. One shouldn't rank Pittsburgh without ranking Toledo. One can't rank Kansas State or Toledo without ranking Marshall.

We already know the Top 25 polls make no sense when Texas is 13th and Arkansas is 14th. The AP poll has it right though. Too bad the Coaches' poll is the one which seems to hold more weight. Between the Hogs and Marshall, I think the Big 12 has been exposed in their down year.

10MAN Wrote:

Schadenfreude Wrote:Memphis?

UNLV 28 Toledo 18.....your point?

For Memphis, Ole Miss is their bowl game, that's coming from some of their fans' own admission. They get up to play us, we did not. That is only their 9th win against us in 53 tries. Goes back to the squirrel and the nut theory. Keep trying. :wave:

Is it the three-point win over Vandy that has you sporting wood? Or is it that romp over the Louisiana Normal School For Quadrapelegics at Monroe?

Nevada-Las Vegas, in contrast, has beaten four bowl teams this year.

Let me know when Mississippi plays a real football team.

I don't care about MAC or College football, but had to say this:

Shad, you're still a loser.

(Damn commie...)

Schadenfreude Wrote:Nevada-Las Vegas, in contrast, has beaten four bowl teams this year.

Let me know when Mississippi plays a real football team.

Thanks for proving your own ignorance. UNLV hasn't even won 4 games this year, ya Mo. :stupid: They are 3-1.

They beat Toledo, alright what bowl will they go to? If they do go to a bowl, I can guarantee you which one it is. :laugh:
They LOST to lowly Kansas.....please! :stupid:
They beat Wisconsin. Maybe a bowl team, but they need to seriously turn things around and fast.
And they beat Hawaii.....Two years ago, that would've meant something. In 2003, they are the same ole Hawaii.

Bro, you really need to do your homework before you post and look like an idiot.

As for the real teams that Ole Miss plays.....we play eight of them every year. They are called Southeastern Conference teams. Oh yea, that is a BCS conference. You know what that is?
:laugh:

Hawaii has one of the best Quarterbacks in College Football. Just FYI

One player does not a team make. In football, at least.

Terpy Wrote:Hawaii has one of the best Quarterbacks in College Football. Just FYI

And that 1-2 record they boast is proof of that, huh? Chang and the rest of the 'Bows are the same ole Hawaii team we are use to seeing.....pitiful.

10MAN Wrote:A loss is a loss. Get over it.

Well, you'd be the expert on that.

I was just saying that they arent the joke of a team you were making them out to be, they have a potent offense and if you go play them thinking it will be an easy win you could very well lose.

In the couple of games I have seen this season they are definitley one of the most exciting teams in the country this year even if they do lose.

Schadenfreude Wrote:Memphis?

:ownd: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

10MAN Wrote:

Schadenfreude Wrote:Nevada-Las Vegas, in contrast, has beaten four bowl teams this year.

Let me know when Mississippi plays a real football team.

Thanks for proving your own ignorance. UNLV hasn't even won 4 games this year, ya Mo. :stupid: They are 3-1.

They beat Toledo, alright what bowl will they go to? If they do go to a bowl, I can guarantee you which one it is. :laugh:
They LOST to lowly Kansas.....please! :stupid:
They beat Wisconsin. Maybe a bowl team, but they need to seriously turn things around and fast.
And they beat Hawaii.....Two years ago, that would've meant something. In 2003, they are the same ole Hawaii.

Bro, you really need to do your homework before you post and look like an idiot.

As for the real teams that Ole Miss plays.....we play eight of them every year. They are called Southeastern Conference teams. Oh yea, that is a BCS conference. You know what that is?
:laugh:

My bad. I thought they had also beaten Colorado State this year.

And, like I said, come talk to me when Mississippi plays somebody.As of today, the only MAC teams with comparably easy schedules are Buffalo and Eastern Michigan.

10MAN Wrote:As for the real teams that Ole Miss plays.....we play eight of them every year. They are called Southeastern Conference teams. Oh yea, that is a BCS conference. You know what that is?
  :laugh:

Yeah, it's the type of conference that gets thumped when playing the MAC. Thanks, for pointing out the difference between a MAC schedule and yours.

Keep talking about your nationial championships and other ancient myths. The NCAA doesn't recognize Div I football championships.

Ol' Miss is some tiny school that can't compete w/ real Div I teams. Ol Miss can't even beat a CUSA cupcake, so they've turned to the SBC. Actually, they've turned to the SBC cupcakes, because they fear UNT and MTSU.

I personally would love to see Ol Miss play a MAC schedule. I'd love to see you guys freezing at Perry Stadium in a late November game. RUTS doesn't do justice to what would happen.

I don't even think Ol Miss could beat Mt. Union in the cold weather, at least they're a tiny Div III school like yours.

Man...I've seen all sorts of comments on here...so this is more like my $0.74 instead of my $0.02..but here goes...

First...props to the MAC teams who came out and pulled the upsets. Bottom line is that the MAC teams wanted 'em more than the victims. I will admit the Marshall and NIU wins were a bit of a surprise, but I thought Pitt was overrated anyways and I thought Toledo would beat 'em. Toledo's been beating Big 10 teams year in and year out; it wasn't a surprise to me.

Now...the question is should the MAC get more bowl bids. I say they should. The MAC should get 3 bids at least...cause I think Toledo, NIU, and Marshall all deserve a bowl right now...Bowling Green prolly should be added in there as well. However, and this sucks...bowls are political. A bowl committee is going to take a 7-5 BCS team over a 10-2 MAC team most of the time because of the fan base they can attract to the game. This even happens among the BCS conferences. Ask Ole Miss fans about 2 years ago, when Alabama, a 6-5 team, got into a bowl game over Ole Miss, who was 7-4 and BEAT Alabama. Hell, ask Arkansas, who won their own division and watched Auburn and LSU...teams we beat...go to NYD bowl games and we ended up in Nashville. That's a HUGE letdown. That's where the MAC gets screwed a lot of times. It's not like basketball, where the attendance plays no role because teams get sent all over.

On rankings... My Top 25 had 2 MAC teams... NIU and Toledo. As good a win as Marshall had...they are still 2-2 and I wouldn't put them in just yet. For fairness sake though, Kansas State was not in my Top 25 ballot either. Haven't beaten anyone good, and lost at home...that's enough for me to eliminate 'em. NIU though at #12...that's going a bit too far. I think more than 11 teams in this country can beat NIU head-to-head. I think #20 is a good spot for them...Toledo right on their heels at #21.

As for DrTorch.... as of today, the SEC is 1-1 against the MAC this year... NIU beat Alabama, Tennessee beat Marshall. In '02, the SEC was 2-0 vs. the MAC. If ya need the link... http://www.secsports.com . I don't think the SEC has been getting 'thumped' by the MAC recently, though Alabama has fallen to UCF and NIU...they're gonna be a little concerned now. Arkansas, FYI, is 2-0 lifetime against MAC teams.

The top part of the MAC, on any given day, can play with the big boys. Could they have 10-2 seasons with an SEC or Big 12 or Big 10 schedule? Prolly not. They can pull upsets, but on a weekly basis, you're gonna get tired playing big game after big game. That happens with every team. Our guys had a letdown last Sat. in beating UNT 31-7. Should've been worse, but after the thumping of Texas in Austin...our guys were emotionally drained. To play tons of big games...you guys would prolly struggle a few years until the recruiting and depth improved. Bottom of the MAC sucks though. Eastern Michigan, Buffalo, Central Michigan.....yawwwwwwnnn. No offense to em, but they'd be smoked week in and week out.

On Ole Miss.... they play Florida in the Swamp...not easy...props by the way to Tennessee for that win. They got #7 LSU, and #9 ARKANSAS in that schedule too. They don't have the toughest schedule in the SEC by any means... Tennessee's is prolly the toughest, and we certainly didn't back down by playing (and beating) Texas, but an SEC schedule is never easy unless your name is Vanderbilt...and yes, Toledo, NIU, Bowling Green, Marshall, prolly Akron too, would all beat Vandy.

Personally, UA is never one to back down from a good challenge. We took on a powerful mid-major in Boise State last year...gave em their only loss. We got Texas here in 04, Southern Cal in 05-06, and Texas A&M and Michigan in the later years. We'll be happy to take on MAC schools again, and I'd expect a good, hard-faught game...with us winning though, no offense. I wish you guys the best...you have my respect in that you deserve more bowl games and more TV coverage while we're at it...but don't get TOO big a head... you're not a super conference just yet.

WPS

PS - Coaches poll sucks. How is Texas STILL ahead of us? That's BS. At least the AP puts us over Texas, and Oregon over Michigan.....too many Big 12 coaches in the coaches poll.

calling_the_hogs Wrote:However, and this sucks...bowls are political. A bowl committee is going to take a 7-5 BCS team over a 10-2 MAC team most of the time because of the fan base they can attract to the game.

That is the perception, but not the reality.

Last year both the Motor City Bowl and GMAC Bowl had great attendance. There was over 45,000 at the Motor City Bowl and only about 3 or 4K were Boston College fans. Both MCB and GMAC were in the top 5 in terms of attendance, outside of the New Year's bowls. Again, the perception is that the MAC will not travel and have fan support but it is not the reality.

Both Marshall and Toledo would have even more fans go to their bowl games it they were playing something over than Louisville or a 7-5 Boston College.