MarshallWINS Wrote:artificial insemination count? 

Explain how that works.

cbfranchise3 Wrote:While what you are talking about in education I may agree with, the fact is that it has not happened yet. While that is being discussed, something has to be done now about shortage of resources, and that takes money. We can't just let kids sit around and suffer while the government sits on their asses and "brainstorms" ideas.

I am aware that much foreign aid is never seen by the common civilians, but we need a system where they do see it.

How big or not the debt is does not matter. If there is a debt, we should be working to pay it off.

Believe me, I have heard reasoning several times on SS.

The point is there are areas besides NASA that need the money more.

actually things are being done. In DC a voucher program has been introduced. President Bush's No child left behind act is a start. You don't seem to recognize that things can't change over night.
Also, people should have a certain level of personal responsibility.

Actually the size of the debt does matter. plus why is the debt such a big issue right now?

Come on, when have you heard reasoning on SS?

NASA is very important and the point is that many areas get enough money. We need to reduce the size of the federal government.

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:The Earth won't hold out at our pace.

That is why we need more money being put into environmental research. If the sustainability of Earth was in good condition, we wouldn't have to be talking about putting stations on the moon and Mars.

In the long run, mankind must take to the stars, as our Sun will eventually turn into a gas giant and devour Earth. Bush's continuation of the baby steps toward a greater mankind... taking the torch from Kennedy... is the right thing to do.

I made the point earlier that I agree this is a good idea, I just think the timing is wrong and it is happening to quickly.

GTS, I agree that someday we may have to go to another planet to salvage humankind, but I think right now we should be focusing more on the earth's environment than giving up on the earth altogether.

Mike, my point is just it really pains my heart to see smart kids not succeeding because of lack of resources. I just want them to have the great opportunities we have. I realize that can't happen overnight, but I visited Houston this summer and nothing had changed from when I lived there long ago.

Debt is not a big issue right now, but as a model country we should set the example and not just build up our debt.

What I meant was I had heard reasoning on why SS sucks, and your reasoning is probably very similar to what I have heard.

I just don't want to throw money away as if it grew from trees when there are some, maybe not all, but some programs that need that money more than NASA.

It's amazing what Bush will do for a vote.....


Clark for President! :)

cbfranchise3 Wrote:I made the point earlier that I agree this is a good idea, I just think the timing is wrong and it is happening to quickly.

GTS, I agree that someday we may have to go to another planet to salvage humankind, but I think right now we should be focusing more on the earth's environment than giving up on the earth altogether.

Mike, my point is just it really pains my heart to see smart kids not succeeding because of lack of resources. I just want them to have the great opportunities we have. I realize that can't happen overnight, but I visited Houston this summer and nothing had changed from when I lived there long ago.

Debt is not a big issue right now, but as a model country we should set the example and not just build up our debt.

What I meant was I had heard reasoning on why SS sucks, and your reasoning is probably very similar to what I have heard.

I just don't want to throw money away as if it grew from trees when there are some, maybe not all, but some programs that need that money more than NASA.

my point about education is clarified right here:
<a href='http://www.lp.org/issues/program/edu.html' target='_blank'>http://www.lp.org/issues/program/edu.html</a>

Do you even know what the national debt is? because it doesn't seem like you do.

<a href='http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm</a>

Implement measures such as tax credits so that parents will have the financial ability to choose among schools.

Provide financial incentives for businesses to help fund schools and for individuals to support students other than their own children.

Looks like that takes money to me.

cbfranchise3 Wrote:<a href='http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm</a>

Implement measures such as tax credits so that parents will have the financial ability to choose among schools.

Provide financial incentives for businesses to help fund schools and for individuals to support students other than their own children.

Looks like that takes money to me.

vouchers don't take other people's tax money, if that's what you think. Vouchers are your own money. And for the record, i'm pretty sure i mentioned vouchers earlier in this thread. Actaully none of those ideas takes tax money.

You know how much the debt is, but you haven't shown me you know WHAT debt is, not how much.

flyingswoosh Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:<a href='http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm</a>

Implement measures such as tax credits so that parents will have the financial ability to choose among schools.

Provide financial incentives for businesses to help fund schools and for individuals to support students other than their own children.

Looks like that takes money to me.

vouchers don't take other people's tax money, if that's what you think. Vouchers are your own money. And for the record, i'm pretty sure i mentioned vouchers earlier in this thread. Actaully none of those ideas takes tax money.

You know how much the debt is, but you haven't shown me you know WHAT debt is, not how much.

I am aware of what debt is, how it fluctuates, and you have said earlier that it may not be indicative of how much the US really owes. Is that a reason not to pay it off?

EDUCATION NEEDS MONEY!!!! I don't care who funds it, what the system is, the bottom line is they need new facilities and materials, which takes money. It can't just appear out of thin air.

no you don't understand debt. Debt is t-bills, and it doesn't seem like you understand.

Education doesn't need more money, it's easy to tell what more money does. Education needs competition not more funding. It's what people do with the funds.

i still want to go home.
:D :D :D :D

flyingswoosh Wrote:no you don't understand debt. Debt is t-bills, and it doesn't seem like you understand.

Education doesn't need more money, it's easy to tell what more money does. Education needs competition not more funding. It's what people do with the funds.

Actually, I think you are too blinded by your party views to realize there are problems in the US. If you are all knowing about what debt is, please explain and don't just tell me I don't know what it is.

Also, explain how creating competition makes books suddenly appear.

If you are too stubborn to realize education and the national deficit need money put into them, then just live with the other programs I listed.

This argument was about NASA, and why they need cash. Explain to me why they deserve it more, and don't tell me why other programs don't need it.

Why Does NASA NEED MONEY BECAUSE WITHOUT NASA YOU WOULDN'T have Vaccum Sealed Foods you wouldn't have Tang you'd have Duct Tape but thats another story.

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:no you don't understand debt.&nbsp; Debt is t-bills, and it doesn't seem like you understand.

Education doesn't need more money, it's easy to tell what more money does.&nbsp; Education needs competition not more funding.&nbsp; It's what people do with the funds.

Actually, I think you are too blinded by your party views to realize there are problems in the US. If you are all knowing about what debt is, please explain and don't just tell me I don't know what it is.

Also, explain how creating competition makes books suddenly appear.

If you are too stubborn to realize education and the national deficit need money put into them, then just live with the other programs I listed.

This argument was about NASA, and why they need cash. Explain to me why they deserve it more, and don't tell me why other programs don't need it.

the reason why we don't need to fix the debt is because all the debt consists of is t-bills. Countries or people, it doesn't matter, buy t-bills and the gov't promises to pay them back+interest. So in essence you're giving the gov't a loan. People aren't going to stop investing in the US, so it really doesn't matter how big the debt is.

Actaully i understand there are problems and no i'm not blinded by my party. You don't even know what party i go for.

Competition would put more books on the shelf because it would create a free market. If the teachers in these schools work hard they will a larger part of the funding. Also, these schools squander so much money. Lastly, if there were vouchers, parents would be able to send their kids to private school where they would get a good education.

NASA is very important because it helps create other things. Just like getting rid of welfare would help these Houston schools.

flyingswoosh Wrote:the reason why we don't need to fix the debt is because all the debt consists of is t-bills. Countries or people, it doesn't matter, buy t-bills and the gov't promises to pay them back+interest. So in essence you're giving the gov't a loan. People aren't going to stop investing in the US, so it really doesn't matter how big the debt is.

Actaully i understand there are problems and no i'm not blinded by my party. You don't even know what party i go for.

Competition would put more books on the shelf because it would create a free market. If the teachers in these schools work hard they will a larger part of the funding. Also, these schools squander so much money. Lastly, if there were vouchers, parents would be able to send their kids to private school where they would get a good education.

NASA is very important because it helps create other things. Just like getting rid of welfare would help these Houston schools.

So you are saying the US never has to pay back its people. And who says people and countries won't stop investing in the government. Thanks for making my point for me.

If the gov created competition among schools right now, according to you books would magically appear on shelves. I see what you are saying about education, and I agree a lot of money thrown is wasted, but if you cut money altogether off from education there would be no materials.

This is going nowhere, so answer one question. You honestly believe there is nothing in the US or around the world that deserves the money more than NASA?

[quote="cbfranchise3"] [quote="flyingswoosh"] the reason why we don't need to fix the debt is because all the debt consists of is t-bills.

flyingswoosh Wrote:yes, there are things that need more money than NASA

Thats all I want to hear.

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:yes, there are things that need more money than NASA

Thats all I want to hear.

We win :laugh:

no actually i win.
because i won by staying out of the argument.

MarshallWINS Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:yes, there are things that need more money than NASA

Thats all I want to hear.

We win :laugh:

Oh yea!! :laugh: :ownd: