I am not going to make some silly bet about a team and coach I could care less about, if Penn St wants to keep losing thats there business.

Rod

Just as I thought.

You stand for nothing.

I'm going to say this one more time, then no more posting on this from me. DeChellis played GARBAGE teams, that's like saying ETSU volleyball had a great year because they had a winning record. They didn't PLAY ANYBODY, and neither did Penn State OOC. They made sure that they played all winnable games, knowing that once the conference season started they were going to get man handled, in which essentially they have. I've also stated that he'll probably survive this year, but I think that he had better win 15 plus the following season, and show progress in Strength of Schedule out of conference, and improvement within the conference, otherwise, he's gone.
There, that's it, no more.

An ETSU fan saying Penn State plays a garbage schedule.

That is rich.

Just 4 days after getting beat by the Mighty Bisons of North Dakota State (an Independent school, first years as a D1 program ) the Wisconsin Badgers beat Penn St 72-43. Ouch.. you know that is going to leave a mark.


R

Question is, though . . .

When was the last time PSU was 10-7 or whatever their record is?

Are you actually trying to make the arguement

A- Penn State isn't better off than when DeChellis got there?

OR

B- ETSU is better off than when DeChellis left?


Nobody expects Ed DeChellis to turn Penn State into Indiana.

Nobody thinks Rick Pitino could turn Penn State into Indiana.

But are they now a team that can think of tournament berths- in this case the NIT?

Yes, and they couldn't before he got there.

But, hey. DeChellis didn't coach at Science Hill. I guess he can't be any good, right?

Penn State might win two more games this year... That's not good enough for an NIT bid.
Fact of the matter is the top half of the conference is beating them a government mule. It's one thing to lose to a better team, it's another thing to get your arse handed to you like teams have been doing to the Kitties.
And don't give me this crap that they can't build up there. They had no women's basketball tradition up there either, and their coach has built a solid program.
If West Virginia can build a top 25 program, anyone in a big conference can do it, period.

Penn State women's hoops has been good for as long as I can remember. I remember them having national prominence going back to about 1982.

That is not to say they are in the UConn/UT league. It is to say that your comment is, once again, untrue.

West Virginia just lost to Marshall and is in the Top 10 for the first time since 1982.

It also wasn't in the toilet the way Penn State was, and has a conference that emphasizes basketball first and foremost.

The fact of the matter is approximately .500 is not a bad record for Penn State hoops.

Of course, here's the thing you forget.

I AM NOT A PENN STATE FAN!!!!!!!

I am, however, a fan of objectivity and the truth. Which are two things you have lots of troubling grasping.

Then why was a story ran on PSU women's hoops about three years ago during a game that talked about how bad the program was, and they usually drew about 500 disinterested boyfriends and parents, and couldn't beat a bag of skittles.
West Virginia has been a football school as long as I can remember. PSU is .500 overrall, but again, who have they played? If they were .500 in CONFERENCE PLAY, I'd say DeChellis is doing a great job.
I know Rome wasn't built in a day, but it sure as heck made progress by leaps and bounds from year to year, and dumbing down your schedule to weak opponents just notch wins doesn't improve the program in the long run, hence the beatings they've been on the recieving end of during conference play.

Oh, well! There was an article- an unlinked article!

That certainly is better proof than actual won-loss records.

Again, I'll say it again. An ETSU fan

A- Criticizing the man who saved the program

B- Criticizing his scheduling

Is just rich. It really shows that ETSU does not deserve a winner and, actually, deserves what it gets with no football, the A-Sun, etc.

YEah ETSU might deserve all that but what the sure as hell don't need is some smarta$$ punk talking crap from 800 miles away.


R

It's 400.

Just another bit of stupidity on behalf of the "Haters of Truth."

Admit it, Rod. You wish you had my spunk. You really do.

NOW MR. LARUE-

"They had no women's basketball tradition up there either, and their coach has built a solid program."

I'm going to admit that I don't really care about women's basketball.

Furthermore, I'm not going to even pretend that I care about PENN STATE women's basketball, nor am I going to root for them.

But I am going to consistently respond to sheer moronic and unfactual comments- and so this one is for you.

YOU SAID- "(Penn State) had no women's basketball tradition up there either, and their coach has built a solid program."

Well, she built it quite awhile ago. Rene Portland has been the head coach of the Penn State Lady Lions for over a quarter of a century, earning her 800th win on Jan. 22.

Penn State has finished in the Top 25 of the AP poll for the past seven years and 20 times since 1978.

Now- before you go and say "Well, what about before 1978? SEE! SEE! SEE!" I'll save your little mind the trouble.

Women's basketball prior to that era was, at best, in its infancy. This was before even Nanci Donnellan starred at Old Dominion. Schools such as Wayland Baptist and Immaculata dominated the sport and I believe that Portland's arrival was just a few years before the game was played where three players stayed at one half of the court.

I do know that in 1972 John Robert Bell coached the women's team at ETSU under those rules- and that basically should tell you all you need to know that they asked the football coach to run the team at a Division I University.

So to say that Penn State had no history prior to Portland's arrival is true only in the sense the Chicago Cubs had no history prior to Cap Anson's arrival (you can look that reference up yourself). It is clearly not the stunt that- say- Bill Snyder did with Kansas State football.

It is merely a large school taking advantage of having more scholarships than their competitors and placing some emphasis on the sport at a time when it was becoming culturally relevant. It is not anywhere near the obstacle that a coach coming into a men's program with 14 wins over two years at a football school faces.

DUH!!!!


Furthermore, to say that "your women's team can win- why can't your men's?" is really drinking the UConn Kool-Aid. Certainly Tennessee- despite success this season- is not a traditional power in male basketball. Nobody fears a game with the Old Dominion or Louisiana Tech mens teams. Notre Dame is not a traditional men's basketball power.

MY GUESS JD LARUE IS- if such an article (unlinked, unreferenced) even existed, it was a hatchet piece written by a writer with an agenda against Portland- who has ticked off many liberals and gay activists with a strong "anti-lesbian" stance on her team for as long as anyone can remember.

So please, PLEASE refrain from making comments on things you know absolutely nothing about (such as my character- as we have never met).

Because for your sake, as well as the public appearance of Johnson City on this board, we really, really, really do not want to read how Michigan didn't have any football history until Fielding Yost took over.

RodShaw2 Wrote:YEah ETSU might deserve all that but what the sure as hell don't need is some smarta$$ punk talking crap from 800 miles away.


R

What else can he do? He's not welcome here by ANYONE, ever, excluding his mother of course. When you burn EVERY bridge in the area, all you can do is spout off absurd ramblings, having not experienced what really is going on down here in the last couple of years.

You mean like Ed DeChellis?

He's in a Big 10 school. ETSU is what it is, if the Bucs are in the Big 10, I would hope that Bartow had the balls to schedule a little bit tougher schedule. I mean my goodness, Bruce Pearl at Tennessee, with NO RECRUITS OF HIS OWN, NO SIZE, and allegedly no real hope this season had games with Texas, Oklahoma State, Memphis, and though La. Lafayette hasn't been as good as last year, he still put them on. That's three NCAA tourney teams CURRENTLY in the top 25, all OOC games, and ALL ON THE ROAD.
I'm not saying Ed did a bad job here, he won games after about four years of losing, great, but you are the one who keeps talking about the great job he's doing up there, playing nobodies OOC to log wins, only to get the hell kicked out of him during conference play.

What I'm saying is the program is improved.

Just like it was improved at ETSU when he took over and it went into the toilet when he left.

Why are you debating me on this when simple won-loss records prove it?

On the final point, certainly you can figure out that Pearl had lots more to work with when he came into the UT job than what DeChellis had at Penn State.

Peterson just didn't know how to play chess.

Come on Lover! Let's here it!

Michigan didn't have any football history before Fielding Yost.

COME ON! I KNOW YOU WANT TO!

Pearl didn't have much of anything other than an undersized shooting guard from Kentucky, CJ Watson, and Jemere Hendrix, who he kicked off the team. Wingate was never a contributor, and I can remember people saying that Dane Bradshaw couldn't have played at UT-C last season.
Bruce has taken a team that people were quoted early on as saying they had little to no real d-1 talent, and has them in the top 25.
I don't consider improvement logging OOC wins against crap teams. If he beats a tough team in the Big 10, and there are some really great teams this year there, then yea, I'll agree wholeheartedly and say yes, he's improved the program, until then, no.

Here's all you need to know about DeChellis

ETSU before Eddie D- Crap program going nowhere.

ETSU during Eddie D- Consistent Southern Conference power

ETSU after Eddie D- Crap program going nowhere.

Here's all you need to know about Penn State-

PSU before Eddie D- Crap program going nowhere

PSU during Eddie D- Slowly but surely improving- just as he did at ETSU. Suffered two blowout losses to nationally ranked Pitt and Ohio State on the road- competitive against nationally ranked Michigan State as well as Clemson and Texas A and M- who have a 29-9 combined record. 10-8 overall record at a school not known for basketball with two conference wins.

Yeah. He's really sucking.

Oh, what else did I miss?

Oh yes.

DeChellis- Not given the credit by ignorant, cave-dwelling, overall wearing rubes who would rather watch the Arby's Classic than the Super Bowl.

These particular morons actually believe local high school basketball coaches are better than Rick Pitino and Larry Brown and compare watching Terry Kirby playing in a high school tournament to seeing Babe Ruth hit home runs.

And, wait, one more-

BuccaneerLover- Ignorant ETSU shill who believes every bit of propaganda out there and thinks he's brilliant.

Any questions?

You forgot the blowout loss to the Badgers. Also since you came on here bragging about Penn St being 9-4 (8 of the wins gimmes) they have gone 1-5 to drop their record to 10-9. They have a conference record of 2-6 one the wins was againist Purdue,(7-13, 1-8) they only team in the conference with a losing record right now. Finally Penn St is 2-9 againist teams from power conferences.


R

RodShaw- Lacking in credibility because he picks fights with the poster who wholeheartedly agrees with him on Tim Smith.

Says he's a Steelers fan, yet admits his distaste for the man who saved ETSU basketball is based on regional bias- even though said Coach is from STEELERS COUNTRY.

Hypocrisy- THY NAME IS SHAW!!!!!!