3ball, you really should go back on the medication.

Let's hear Monroe! WAR KNORR! WAR KNORR! He is your man. You love this guy. How does it feel to be a Joe Billy Bobcat?

I would have said that maybe Kit-Cat accidently clicked the post button a few times. But then I saw the time stamps...

PPPP I tells ya.

Definition of an idiot...

"...after he scorched ARE pathetic pass defense."
"We should of tried..."
"I think the goal in Athens should be to become a yearly top 25 team, with occasional top 10 runs. A game like Pitt should be IN THE BAG. We should be looking ahead to Florida, as a tossup."
"How does it feel to be a Joe Billy Bobcat?"

Anyone who talks like this.

I was having troubles processing my post, and all of the sudden I had 9 copies... Please Swagger, delete the multiple posts.

As for the Super Gato, I really don't understand why we cant hold Ohio Football to the same standards of quality accepted in the rest division 1-A. We are not in the SEC East, just the MAC East. 7-5 in the MAC will not earn us a bowl. 7-5 will not help us recruit. The triple option is for service academeys with no chance of landing a real QB.

But wait, Nebraska is successful with the option... Even the cornhuskers, as storied as they are only hauled in a top 30 class, with their douple floption. What if you took away their top notch weight program, top 40. Then take all of their Division and National titles away, top 50. Replace their 80k rabid fan base with the Peden LA dodger crowd, top 60. Take them out of the Big 12, top 70. Stick them in the MAC, top 80. Replace Solich with Knorr, top 90. Replace Cornhusker assistants with the Bobcats assistants, top 100. Eliminate their vaunted walk-on program, top 110.

So with reasonable confidence, team Knorr running the triple floption in Athens, will be able to haul in a top 110 class, year in and out. The type of talent that will keep us competitive with MAC powers the likes of Kent State and Eastern Michigan....

NFL talent was down at Notre Dame in recent years. Much of that was do to running the option. Now, with the new coach from stanford running a real offense, they bagged a top 5 recruiting class...

I'm not saying you have to run a pass oriented offense to be successful, but it just makes it a heckuva lot easier to build a program. All of the top Mid-Major schools (BYU, Marshall, UofL, Fresno, Hawaii) feature a strong passing game.

When is Boeh going to realize Peden isn't Wrigley Field, and this isn't 1922?

KC

You've made a point in my favor, which is that the option allows a team like Nebraska to recruit to their OWN system, not in direct competition with the rest of the world. Now, Nebraska has enough going for it on tradition alone that if they wanted to go to a conventional offense, they could recruit to it and constantly bring in top 10 classes. We can't. This allows us to recruit good athletes and have a better team than the ranking of our classes might indicate. Doesn't ohio state have a top 10 class every season? What have they done since 1998? 6-6 8-4, 7-5. With all their money/resources, fans and tradition, that's a complete joke. Recruiting is one piece of the puzzle.

Mind you, I'm not saying any of this in direct defense of Coach Knorr, or what happened last year. Both of those things are very bad. However, a young coach deserves another year. Imagine all the things he can look back on and decide to do differently. Maybe he wasn't ready last year, but maybe all those ass-kickings will make him that much better this year. You never know.

Also, as for bringing in a "name" coach, and having yearly top 25 finishes, well, you have to walk before you can fly. First things first.

"Also, as for bringing in a "name" coach, and having yearly top 25 finishes, well, you have to walk before you can fly. First things first."

Tell this to Coach K of UCF.... He's bringing in a top 60 class. And thats all we need in the MAC, a top 50 or 60 classes.

Tell it to Urban Meyer. He beat 3 BCS schools his first year out. Now that is what I call progress. He flew the falcons to the stratosphere.

Why do you have this Ohio Football inferiority complex? Are BGSU and UCF superior to us, and our only chance for survival is running an ancient offense?

Think about it.

KC

Hey guys, I heard Marshall is switching their offensive philosophy to the TRIPLE FLOPTION. Yeah right! Give me a break! Can you imagine what would happen to a coach who would incorporate an option philosophy at Marshall? They would fire him on the spot. We recruit the 5 foot QBS who run to the left and run around to the right. Wow! That really fools a defense! How about r ability to come back on a last minute drive? It can't happen, its impossible with Dontrel and that rubber arm of his, Freddie Ray looks like he is moving in slow motion. Florida will stuff r option and then we will be screwed. Turn out the lights the triple floption is over! 3ball

<small>[ August 05, 2002, 03:30 PM: Message edited by: thria ball ]</small>

That's a good point. There is no such thing as a come back victory with the option. Two minutes to go and the ball gets walked down field.

A defense with two of the following will stop the option in it's tracks:

1. experienced DL
2. fast linebackers
3. smart and experienced safeties/rovers.

and then it becomes a looong game

How can Grobe be considered a failure? He took what was clearly a dead program and put life into it. You don't go from 0-11 to yearly top 25 and make a run at top 10 overnight.
The reason the triple option went in was because you don't necessarily need the best football players to do it, which is often why the service academies use it as well. You need athletes that can run and make things happen. Grobe had a little bit more to work with at Wake in '01 and he didn't exactly run the ball to death.
And how quickly was Knorr promoted after Grober fled? Less then 24 hours. Not exactly much of a national search there. The hiring of Kish was a mistake, look at the Illini D last year without him.
Knorr clearly should have had his job evaluated after last season long and hard because it was a team that rolled over on him. That was the team that was supposed to finally go over the top. All the previous years Marshall was the better team on paper.
By the way great scheduling job done, 4 I-A home games this season, yes I understand the UCF deal, but why Northeastern and its not like NU was the toss in, they've been penciled in all along. And future I-AA games against SE Missouri and VMI.

Some general, quick thoughts on what you've all posted--The option is a system that can let a (theoretically) less-talented team compete against 'better teams.'...if only because it has the element of surprise/teams see it rarely and have a difficult time preparing for it. Grobe, apparently, realized this while at The Ohio University. Now, at Wake, he's running a more balanced attack--perhaps believing that he can recruit a fully balanced offensive force and/or that he needs a more balanced attack to achieve national recognition/prominence.....I'd've fired Knorr during--not after--last year. If he ups his level of victories sixfold over last year, we are a pretty mediocre 6-6, he's 7-16 after two years. Could argue that he's on the rise, then--or that he's mired in mediocrity. I wish him and the team well. But I have little faith at this point...

It had as much to do with his own background as it did our level of talent - Grobe was an Air Force guys for awhile. He knew the option game.

Grobe's big mistake in my opinion was sticking with the option after Kareem graduated. Grobe proved that Ohio Football could be competitive in the MAC, and should of used his success to recruit a drop back passer. Instead, he recruited another 5 foot QB! We've only averaged 4 wins a season in the three years with Dontrel at QB.

KC

Your absolutely right Kitty Kat. We are never, I mean EVER going to win a MAC title with the triple floption. Who cares if Grobe is gone? What is so great about mediocrity? Grobe didn't win the MAC, didn't win the East division, and beat Marshall once. His overall record was 33-33-1. I want championships and bowl bids, not mediocre football and boring triple option football. Could you see us in last years GMAC bowl game against ECU? Do you think we could come back with the likes of Dontrel at QB? Give me a break people! Kareem could run a heck of alot better than Dontrel, yet he wasn't good enough to lead us to a title. Now you people think we seriously have a shot at a MAC championship! Why hand a head coaching job to Brian Knorr when he has no business being a division 1a head coach. This is an embarassment to OHIO FOOTBALL and we have an incompetent A.D. I will guarantee as long as Brian Knorr and this Air Force philosophy is in place, OHIO FOOTBALL will be a joke! 3ball

The AD is totally incompetent. Look at how long it took him to decide on who was to guide Ohio football into its most crucial stage. After a period of some success, sure they didn't win a MAC title, but they made leaps in progress and thats why you can't call Grobe a failure. And he chose Knorr 24 hours after Grobe left. And then they went out and hired Kish from Illinois after he "led" them to the worst defense in the Big 10.
And plus look at the high turnover rate in the athletic department and not getting his first choice for hoop coach. Hey TO was my first choice, before Larry was canned, but Boeh tried elsewhere first and came up empty. Its really too bad UMass or Minnesota didn't take him. And he always talks about th grand athletics mall. What he fails to mention is that its been scaled down and constantly delayed. Go back and look at those old football programs and check out what has been completed and on time.

I THINK NOT THE BOBCATS WILL TURN SOME HEADS THIS YEAR. THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO PROVE. YES THEY DESPERATELY NEED A NEW COACHING STAFF. IF THE OFFENSE CAN PERFORM HALF AS WELL AS THE DEFENSE,
THEY MIGHT WIN A FEW GAMES.