(01-06-2023 11:46 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  

(01-06-2023 11:42 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-06-2023 10:59 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  

(01-06-2023 10:00 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-06-2023 09:35 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  So the prices I talked about earlier we're from a site not affiliated with BG. Ticket prices on the BG athletics site are $11. Parking is $10. Stroh's is not handicapped friendly. All handicapped seating are in the back row on the concourse. You can get floor access but you have call ahead for special treatment and there's only 8 and you have to buy 2 tickets. They assume you need a assistant because they assume you will be in a wheelchair. More about that when I get back.

I am NOT by any stretch of the imagination an expert on ADA and handicap seating.

I have seen seating at say Camden Yards (Balto O's) as you describe. The seats are on the concourse level. One could literally use a walker or chair and stroll or roll out to designated ADA seating on the concourse. ZERO stairs to negotate.

What I'm getting at: This seems most logical to me. I have NO idea how the access to court level is, but it seems the ONLY true ADA would be court level or concourse level.

IF I were designing an arena, I wouldn't want a wheel chair at court level, for obvious reasons.
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Unless I'm missing something, ADA seating will be limited and in highly specified locations. Can't be 10 rows up at center court. If someone can negotiate 10 rows of stairs, up or down, then they probably aren't really ADA mandated person.

You are talking to one of the people that got the ADA started.
In the beginning it was only to be for those that were in wheelchairs but they couldn't get enough support so they had to include people with all forms of disabilities.

You are missing a lot. By you own admission you are not knowledgeable about the ADA. I am. I was students with disability representative at EMU for over 3 years. I taught them a lot above being disabled. We have the same rights as any non handicapped person. That we have the same rights to take risks as anyone else. We had this fight over movie theaters. Maybe it's not just the walking but the inability to access the seat or they can't sit for long periods. I get this all the time.

You don't look disabled! Really you can tell a person is disabled just by looking at them? I have a limited ability to bend so sitting becomes painful. I need my knees below my waistline. I need my car door fully open to get in and out. I bring my own walker sometimes to games. But I've found that if I stack 2 chairs on top of each other I can sit for longer periods of time. At women's game I can be down on the floor and pace back and forth.

You haven't the right to judge me on my disability ether. By the ADA all have to do is tell you I have a disability an show you my Medicare card.

The only reason we don't have fair and reasonable access is because they want to sell the most seats. so they place the handicapped seating in places they can't sell. They claim handicapped people don't show up for games. The reason is the handicapped seating sucks.

Actually, my limited knowledge of ADA pre-dates both you and ADA.

In the early 80s, I worked as a survey statistician with the Census Bureau working on the bureau's housing survey for HUD.

Our survey instrument, a questionnaire, was 52 (!) pages long. ONE SECTION was HMS (Housing Modification Section). It was an extensive series of questions pairing medical conditions and possible housing modifications to accommodate those persons with those conditions.

Things like ramps, elevators, railing, raised toilets, grab bars in the tub, etc.

This research by HUD, conducted by the Census Bureau, including yours truly, was the basis of ADA and the ADA law of 1991 (I not sure of the date). Senator Dole was a big proponent of ADA.

I would think based on that research and awareness, that athletic facilities were designed with ramps, elevators, easily accessible concourses, etc.

In years past, I would attend a Tigers/Orioles game in Baltimore using a seat of a fmr. co-worker (CP). It was concourse level coming right off a ramp.

As I remember it, an attendee could use a chair or walker and go from ADA parking to the stadium, up a ramp and to the concourse level where the fan had plenty of space to sit in a seat or his own chair.

The ADA was started in 1977. It took 15 years to become law. Try again. I was part of the original group. I was with the group that shut the mass transit system in Denver Colorado 1977 June look it up. We were the ones forcing the handicapped accessible issues.

Carl, we are quibbling now.

You are talking about activists and I'm talking about research and policy with the Federal government. The HMS section of the Annual Housing Survey dates back to the late 1970s. Not sure of the exact year. Pre-dated me.

Let me try again. Activists bring issues to light be it disabilities or HIV or whatever. Then the Federal government researches and tries to develop policies to address the issues. Dr. Fauci led a heroic effort to research and develop medicines to treat or prevent HIV.

Here is a recent scholarly article on the usage of the Annual Housing Survey data on home modification. The data is for 2019, but there is data for say 45 years. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1...ode=wjhe21

Here is a guide to the Annual Housing Survey. https://www.huduser.gov/portal/sites/def...Survey.pdf

Senator Dole led the effort in Congress to get HUD to do their research and provide the research for Congress to pass ADA legislation.

One note about Rynearson. The East stands were finished in 1991, I believe. They were engineered before ADA became law.

Any athletic facility built in the early 90s or before probably are very deficient in terms of ADA.