(09-15-2020 02:41 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 02:26 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 02:19 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 02:13 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 02:08 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  Mens basketball has produced many, many professional basketball players. Can swimming say the same, even allowing for relative opportunities?

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So we're judging the success of student-athletes based on what they do after college? WTH? Okay, has swimming ever graduated a convicted rapist? Give me a break.



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It's a judgment of the relative talent level of the programs. Football also has players appear in the senior bowl and produces FCS level All Americans and national award nominees. Basketball had Nathan Knight and Marcus Thornton nominated for national awards in the past 10 years. Is there similar/relative success from the swimming programs? I genuinely don't know the answer to that.

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Have the 7 cut sports won more conference championships than fb, mbb, and wbb?

Does anyone outside of us know who Marcus Thornton is...ours, not the other Marcus Thornton?

This is a silly argument. Our MBB program is a laughing punchline. One of 4 or 5 to NEVER make the NCAAT.

I don't think fans of the cut 7 should attack the main 3, either. I've stated that. But, you minimizing their contribution like our basketball programs have done anything is laughable.

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The point being made was that swimming, despite winning all those conference championships, was not significantly higher profile nationally than basketball or football. The tone in the Hildebrand letter was "why do we keep supporting dead weight like football and basketball at the expense of swimming?"

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(09-25-2020 01:36 PM)TribePride91 Wrote:  Appreciate the sentiment 3455, but you are incorrect. Using the aforementioned Stanford letter, those students were notified in July. This would have been prior to the arrival of the students. I agree with you on the potential that there will be no season anyway, but at W&M a fair number of the athletes in these sports are either non-scholarship or only partial. Waiting to give them their notice after the payment of tuition was another mistake. Particularly for incoming freshmen, the timing is brutal. Perhaps more information will be shared to indicate that this was a quick decision. Not sure that makes it better, but it would at least explain why the announcement waited until 2 days before the on campus undergraduates returned to campus and more than 2 weeks after freshmen moved in.

None of this is fun for anyone.

Again. If the argument it steals a year from them it is entirely incorrect. Most if not all rosters would have been filled no matter when this was announced shy of last spring. Scholarship or walkons.