(01-04-2022 11:00 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-04-2022 10:47 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(01-04-2022 09:16 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear holybovine,
You can love McElwain and Central all you want. That's your preogative. As far as the win over Washington State, you had a badly depleted team, with no head coach, and a third string quarterback, and your team wins by a field goal, and that is a great win? It'a a win, that's all. I don't recall McElwain's first two years as wonderful winning seasons, and you totally left out in your comments, my statement about Fleck and Western as having no bearing on what is a possibility.
As far as three years into a program, as I have already said, let's wait for next year.

Ken,

I truly respect your posts but McElwain has accomplished more in 3 years compared to CC in 8 years. Agree?

Are we comparing people to the almighty or HOFers or whatever?

I'm not sure what McElwain's recent success means. CMU's FB history is much different than EMUs (we've discussed this many times). Our teams don't go out and win 9 games and then 3 and then 8 and... When is the last time we went 8 - 4 or better?

For whatever reason, EMU has never had that breakout season in either FB and MBB this century. We've had it in WBB (when EMU went to the NCAAs think it was 2012).

Agree that EMU doesn’t have CMUs football tradition that’s why we gave CC years 1,2 and 3 as a pass in order to get his system and personnel in place. If we compare McElwain years 1,2 and 3 to Creighton’s years 4,5 and 6 is fair. The bottom line I love everything CC has done to get the program respectable but what is holding back EMU from winning the MAC is not a lack of EMU tradition but Creighton’s coaching schemes. The exact same could be said about Murphy. He held the program back from winning a MACC not EMU. The bottom line is CC has reached his ceiling at 7 wins.