(06-29-2020 12:42 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 11:27 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  I feel the same way. It is frustrating to me that you guys support probable irreversible environmental catastrophes, indirectly, with your votes. That may hyperbole and I recognize that you guys aren't on the same page as me when it comes to climate change.

But climate change is one of my "show stoppers" (to use #'s term). I care much more about a candidate's approach to climate change than I do their tax platform.

To each their own.

Funny... this was precisely what came to my mind when you spoke of your lack of support for leftists tax policies.

'Climate change' as addressed by the left is an open checkbook for the globe... not just us.... so while it's not 'tax policy' per se, you support (vicariously through your votes... as much as any of us do 'irreversible climate change') unlimited taxation.

Well, I have yet to vote for anybody that most people would consider socialist but that time may someday come. I'm hoping (but not holding my breath) that both sides listen to their moderate majorities.

Quote:especially in that nobody has been able to demonstrate that most of what has been suggested WOULD reverse anything.... or couldn't be undone by some very likely outcomes...

i.e. we decide that we're going to eliminate all petro-based engines in the US... we spend trillions developing and repowering our machinery... and then we lose market-share globally to say, Africa (or China)... who buys up all our old tech for pennies on the dollar, now with a fuel source that is even cheaper than it is today... and of course they don't have our regulation or safety measures or worker protections etc etc etc... and now we can't afford the interest on the trillions we spent.... and because of this, they essentially 'undo' all of the good that we did in terms of global carbon output. Now all of a sudden it costs $1.000 as opposed to $400 to ship something to Africa using new tech... but it costs $200 to ship it FROM Africa with now cheaper, old tech.

I hear you. These are reasonable points and I share your concerns here.

Quote:I'm all for being good stewards... I'm all for developing new, cleaner technologies. What I'm NOT in favor of is spending untold amounts for untold outcomes... and the moment someone comes out and tells me that I have to do something quickly and without questioning the motivations or results... I'm going to say 'no' on principle alone. I'm not an unintelligent person, nor am I seeking to exploit the earth without consequence. If you (the generic you) NEED to scare me to get me to go along, then you don't have the facts to explain it to me.

Do you know who's NOT going to be a good steward? Somebody who thinks climate change (and the human contribution to it) is a hoax.

But I don't want to turn this into yet another climate change argument. I brought it up simply as an example of my personal priorities.