(01-13-2020 03:50 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 10:23 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 10:11 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 10:07 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  1) I would of run Palmer at the three with 7 seconds to go with timeouts in hand.
- i have heard this, but i dont like that. i could envision, palmer getting to the 1, struggling for yards, NDSU defenders holding him up as the clock expires and the refs hold their whistle. same play happened at akron years ago. on first, i would have thrown a jump ball to riley or a slant to polk. if that play fails, you have time and have palmer run it on the next play.

the killer was we had the ball at the 17 with 38 seconds, by the time we ran a play, we had 17 seconds left. 21 seconds for 1 play. should have called a timeout. 2nd. we had the ball at the 48 with 228 left and 2 timeouts. no reason we should have run out of time at the end.

2) I would of gone for 2 on the first TD, so I knew if I would need 1 or 2 more possessions.
- wrong move. you always save the 2 point conversion to the end. if we miss the 2 on the first possession, you essentially are out of the game with the time that remained.

3) In the 2nd quarter I would of gone for the 4th and 7, especially after Ethan missed the first attempt.
- ethan made the first attempt. he hit the upright on the second. i am fine with the fg in that spot. what is the conversion rate on 4th and 7, 30%?. what is ethan's % from 39 yards? 50% +. he was 80% on the year for fgs. sure, easy to say we should have gone, given he missed, but you have to take the 3 there.

Really disagree on 2. If you go for it on the first and miss you’re essentially out of the game... If you go for it on the second and miss there’s no ‘essentially’, the game is over. Go for the first one, if you don’t get it then it’s time to decide whether or not an onside kick is needed.

if you miss the 2 point conversion on the 2nd touchdown, you can still onside kick.

if you miss the 2 point conversion on the first td, being down 9, your team is mentally defeated. sure, you can onside, but the conversion rate is 15% and now they have the ball at your 50. game over. you never go for 2 until you have to.

As I said, I knew these three were debatable.

Here's the deal on the two point conversion.....

I googled 2 point conversion % in the NFL, and it said - 47.5% success rate.
I googled the 2 point conv 5 for college and they estimated 40%-55% so roughly the same thing.

That means most 2 point conversions are not made.

The way it played out, an onsite kick would not of worked with only a second or two left in the game.

Now if we knew we needed two scores (which per the %s was likely he case) when we got the ball with just under 3 minutes, we would of known we needed to be more aggressive on play calling, and perhaps not switching running backs between each play allowing NDSU to use an additional 20 seconds a play.

Everyone talks about the 20 seconds wasted in the last minute, but the 20 seconds per play switching running backs at the beginning of the drive wasted just as much/more time on multiple plays during the last drive.

I’d much rather know where you stand. Obviously some more urgency would’ve been a good idea regardless considering that, if not for the interception, we would’ve run out of time before we ran out of downs. But NDSU is gonna run as much clock as they can whether it’s a 7, 8, or 9 point game. I’d rather JMU know whether we need time for two possessions or if we’re down 7 and are better off running it down to where they don’t have time to get in to field goal range after we score.