(09-24-2019 12:50 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(09-23-2019 08:50 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(09-23-2019 07:57 PM)2Buck Wrote:  No one is saying Ben is a bad QB, he's got lots of talent and does a number of things very well. Overall he's a good D1AA level QB, against the right opponent his running ability alone is enough to slice up defenses. But there are a few things that continue to need some work if he's going to keep us from losing big games, let alone winning big games. Decision-making being my biggest concern, but so far he looks improved this season. We'll see as the season progresses.

I'm not taking sides as far as any QB, if the staff feels he's our best option then he's our best option. But in blindly defending him some of y'all are skewing things a bit. Yes, he can be very accurate but most of those are short/intermediate passes. It's not that he doesn't have the arm for deep throws- he hit Polk on a nice one against Morgan State. In some cases it's more of a timing or "read" issue, like the ball to Polk was a little under-thrown but Polk is fast as h3ll.

He also sometimes seems to have tunnel vision and not see some of the zone DBs, which a few times led to near interceptions. True, they didn't end up interceptions but it's enough to make me wince.

YPPA can be misleading. Many of Ben's passes are screens, hitches, outs, etc that get a bunch of yards after catch added to them. Not saying he can't throw the long ball, but many of those long ones (like Polk's 48 yard and Hamilton's 50 yard TDs) are extended short passes. I'd be interested to see stats on Ben's throws of 20+ yards (vertical air distance) before placing credence in stats supporting his ability to throw long. Might be better than I think, and if so that's great.

This whole argument, like most board banter, follows the same pattern most of our arguments take. One side makes a statement to one extreme, and the other side comes in with another extreme. The reality (in my opinion) is right now Ben is 90% of what we need at the position to dominate and win a title. Maybe it's not necessary for him to improve anymore for us to win, but until I see it I'm going to cringe every time I see him wind up to go deeper than 10 yards. I also cringe a little when I see him running like he's holding a loaf of bread, but I have tons of confidence with his running ability.

We're all in your corner Ben.

Translation: You can't throw the long ball, anyone can throw short passes, your decisionmaking doesn't suck as bad as it used to, I cringe when you throw, I cringe when you run. But, I'm in your corner, Ben.

LMAO!

Purple, you seem to be furious at a strawman here. If you're really convinced Nooch is that great, then your opinion is in a minority. That's not really a problem.

However, this notion that the entire board is saying "Nooch sucks and Cole save us" just seems made up. Nooch's problems when he's under pressure are pretty clear to see - WVU upped the pressure on him and he wilted. Sure, he was running for his life, but he also threw 2 consecutive passes that were knocked down because he refuses to throw from any higher than his shoulder. He makes "gunslinger" decisions under pressure, and if JMU is ever behind, he really does not inspire any confidence in me. Of course, that's just my opinion.

But I don't think I've seen anyone say "COLE IS THE MAN." In fact, most of what I've seen is the opposite -- lots of backers who get angry at any mention of DiNucci's flaws, and resort to "well he's a good kid and he's trying hard, why must you tear down our boys?" or "well, two coaches think he's the best chance we have." He may well be the best chance. But if he is, then we'd better hope we're not behind in any games all season, because I don't like our chances once we are.

"Strawman," hell! I just summarized 2Buck's post, some of it almost verbatim. Read it!