(04-18-2019 03:43 PM)Rocco Wrote:  

(04-18-2019 12:50 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(04-18-2019 09:53 AM)Tribe2011 Wrote:  Tribeheart forgot that most of Shaver's losses are supposed to be thrown out in any "fair" accounting of his record.

I don't get why some folks fail to see the fairness or justice of throwing out those first ten years of Shaver's record. Look, the team stank, the program stank, the culture stank when Shaver got here. It takes time to change those things (as all of the Huge apologists are quick to say to give Fischer four or five years to make his changes before he can be held accountable for bad records). In the last six years, Shaver has more wins and more conference wins than any other team in the CAA (so I read; I certainly know for a fact that he is in the top three). So that is the record that he should be judged on (and which, of course, nobody should fire a coach with that record). When Huge provided Shaver's total record during the firing announcement, that was just absolutely bogus!! W&M could have fired Shaver at any time during those first ten years but not only did not fire him but gave him extensions for a job well done.

So, again, I don't get it why some folks don''t acknowledge that Shaver's early record does not matter and that his recent record was good --- unless of course those folks have a not-so-hidden agenda to be Huge apologists.

Throw out all the bad years of his resume, and only evaluate the good years, but also cut out all the bad parts from the good years because those don't count either. Sounds legit.

I didn't say that. You did. I say evaluate Shaver on the recent history. If you're Huge and you want to fire Shaver because he never made the NCAA tournament, then fire him is what you do. But have the ba**s to admit it (which she sort of did) but don't also try to hide it or disguise it by slamming Shaver for a losing record in the early years (which she also did).

But do not misrepresent me and say that I said to discount certain losses during any year or not count D-III games. All games count in every year and the record is what it is ---- but I say again --- I don't understand why some people simply do not understand that the first ten years ARE SIMPLY NOT RELEVANT to any discussion of whether Shaver should have been retained in March 2019.