(04-25-2017 09:52 AM)stever20 Wrote:  my point is pretty simple. You said that there hasn't been a single season where the current setup has hurt the Big East. And that's total BS. BE was in 2014 for instance a Creighton BET win away from having 3 teams in the tourney. And that's totally due to the round robin. St John's and Providence(who was 2-4 vs the top 3 and 0-3 on the road) should have both gotten in easily.

And the other point. Folks saying that Dayton or VCU have no chance of ever getting in the Big East are frankly ignorant. For instance you mention that they could look near the renegotiation. If VCU has kept on until that time- they'd be going on like 13 years of performance at that time(assuming starting to look 2 years out). IF VCU made another sweet 16 or elite 8, they would become much more of a factor. Especially since you couldn't say it's just Shaka.

Stever, again, you are trying to rewrite history by using a hypothetical that did not happen. We got four teams in that year (which has been our lowest since our reconfiguration). What happened happened. Creighton finished 27-8 and 14-4 in conference. Five programs that year finished with 20 wins or more (Villanova, Creighton, Providence, St. Johns and Xavier). If St. Johns didn't start off the conference 0-5, including losing to DePaul, then they are in too - but you can't rewrite history.

My feelings are known about VCU. Solid program - no doubt, but they have advanced to exactly one Sweet 16 in their entire program's history. In ten trips to the tournament since 2000, they had one - just one - magical season in the tournament. Tournament success is not only one factor, but institutional fit is another. They could have been added right off of Shaka's success in 2013, but they weren't. The Big East chose Butler, another program with strong recent success and an institutional fit instead. If they weren't chosen in 2013, why would they be chosen today?

Finally, I'm not sure where you got Dayton not being a peer from. I have never once said that or alluded to that.