(04-10-2017 06:43 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 05:56 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 11:41 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I'm sorry but to act like the New Big East is like the Old Big East is just wrong. The Old Big East was the best basketball conference quite possibly EVER- when it was a 15/16 team conference. 7 Final 4 teams in 7 teams with 2 champions in there(and really 3 in 8 given UConn won the following year). Tourney record 11 teams 1 year. That Big East did die.

And this Big East has not been as successful or as relevant, or as nationally known, as that Big East was. I know that riles some folks up- but that's reality. Realistically nothing will compare to what the Big East those 7 years did. I mean, the ACC of the last few years doesn't compare to that even- as much as they would want to make it seem.

Right Stever, and it also riles some folks up, like yourself and a couple other notorious AAC fanboys, that you've been unable to write the obituary yet. No one claims the current BE is as strong as the older one. It clearly was the best college basketball league of all time and had left the ACC in the dust. Nobody is making that claim today. Still, for some reason, you like to portray all BE fans as being stuck in 2011, even though you know that's not the case. What we do claim today, is that we've earned our spot and acknowledgement to be part of what is now considered the P6 in basketball. You talk about the past BE receiving 11 bids to the dance. Well that represented 69% of the league, this years 7 bids represented 70%. It may be years before we see any conference match that number again. Just because the league isn't as top heavy as it once was doesn't mean it's not good.

It is a little old how however, that when someone takes pride in the leagues performance, you and others try to beat them down by saying the league isn't as powerful as it once was. It may not be as powerful, but the 7 bids, sold out MSG BET games, and the eye popping OOC record against the other P6 teams, say the league is still pretty darn good, and way ahead of most others. Wouldn't you agree?

The thing is and you know it, there are some that have said that the new big east hasn't had any drop off at all whatsoever. And that's a joke.

The New Big East is a good conference, a very good conference. But what 2013 was- it was the end of an era. Some folks want to act like this is just a continuation of the old Big East, and that's a joke. The 2013 Big East is dead. I think you talk to folks that were in the league before the split would say just that.

As far as stuff like the OOC record vs the other P6 teams. So overrated. I mean take Butler. Their win over Cincy this year was better than ANY OOC win for them outside of the game vs Arizona. Bigger than Vandy, Utah, or Indiana. Labels are so idiotic it's not funny.

It's one thing to take pride in the leagues performance. But when folks say stuff like "If they thought the league would not be as successful, or as relevant, or as nationally known, they were very, very wrong. " that's just wrong. NOTHING would compare to that.

Stever, not to beat things to death with you, but at times you deliberately distort things. For example your post saying some BE fans valued a win over Missouri more than Cincinnati. Show me where anyone said that. Obviously Cincinnati was a good team this year, and it represented a good win for anyone that beat them. Also suggesting BE fans claim the league is as good as it was, is BS. That is not the general consensus and you know it.

And then you say OOC wins are overrated? Sure they are, until the BE has a disappointing record in them, and then you'll consider them to be the primary measuring stick. All you have to do is look at the bids received by each league and the OOC record and the correlation is clear. The better a league did in OOC the more bids they got, the worse they did, the fewer bids they got. Seems like an important statistic to me.

Finally, when you find a BE fan on HLOH with an extreme opinion, you tend to come over here and try to paint the entire fan base with the same broad brush. However you don't do that with other conferences fans. There are some people you can find around here that are as maniacal and deranged as can be, yet you don't suggest their whole fan base is guilty by association. Nor should they be. But the same holds true for BE fans. Most are quite level headed, more so I think, than the majority of other conference fan bases. I wish you'd stop cherry picking one exaggerated claim, and implying it's representative of all BE fans.