(04-11-2017 10:21 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:06 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 09:34 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think a separate discussion would be where would Creighton, Xavier, and Butler be if the Big East hadn't realigned? The A10 would have had their 2013 lineup with VCU, Butler, Xavier, Dayton, and Rhode Island- all 5 making tourney this year.

Creighton in the MVC is the one that you really would have worried about. Their magical 2013-14 season doesn't happen(McDermott I think turns pro almost for sure).

Do you mean if the C7 stayed with the football-remaining members, Stever?

Hypothetical Big East Basketball Conference 2013-14
Cincinnati
UConn
DePaul
Georgetown
Houston
Marquette
Memphis
Providence
Seton Hall
SMU
St. Johns
Temple
Tulane
UCF
USF
Villanova

*I left out ECU and Tulsa, since they were not voted in as full members until after the C7 left. Temple was voted in as full member while the C7 was still part of the conference.

This is a 18-member conference, with 9 full-members and 7 non-football members, and two football-only members (ECU and Navy). If the league had needed an additional football member to get to 12, for a conference championship, then I think they look at Army as another football-only. Boise State, San Diego State and TCU all left the Big East, before ever officially joining, before the C7 left - so they are a moot point and are left out.

Now, with the additions of SMU, Houston, UCF, and Tulane, none of those programs made the NCAA Tournament in the prior 20 years of competition. Would the basketball schools have mandated at least one additional non-football school? Most likely. Since Cincinnati covers that market (eliminating Xavier), Creighton, Butler and Saint Louis (who was still under Majerus) would have been the only three realistic options at this time. I think Butler would have been one choice, replacing the Indiana market from Notre Dame - who left for the ACC. Then, I think Creighton and Saint Louis would have battled it out for #18 in the basketball conference, with Saint Louis slightly edging out Creighton due to their prior conference affiliations with Marquette, DePaul, Cincinnati, Memphis, South Florida, Tulane, and Houston in Conference USA. That would have gotten the basketball league up to 18 members.

Phew that's a lot of hypotheticals!

no I was saying if no movement had happened....

but your one is fascinating as well.

I think the big question first off if the basketball hadn't left would Boise and San Diego St had remained(they left about 2 weeks after the C7 left).

So had 9 full members, 4 fb only ones. and 7 bb only ones. It would have been interesting to see if there would have been 2 more bb members. Your point about SLU there would have been very interesting- but remember Majerus passed away 12/1/12 or about 2 weeks before the C7 left. So the exact same questions regarding them in the new Big East would have remained with this scenario.

SMU would have still had Larry Brown.

The 13-14 season would have been really interesting. Would have had Nova, Providence who made tourney from Big East. Would have had Louisville, Cincy, UConn, and Memphis who made tourney from AAC. SMU would have been a lot more possible I think with the help with SOS. Georgetown and St John's would have been a lot more possible as well. So of the I guess 17 teams in conference play that year- would have gotten like at least 6 and as many as 9 making the tourney. Then lose Louisville and Rutgers following year- but picked up Tulsa and Tulane. Would have gotten from Big East Nova, Georgetown, St John's, Providence, then from AAC SMU and Cincy. Then you would have had teams like Tulsa, Temple, and UConn from AAC close. So again at least 6 and as many as 9.