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RE: Group of 5 Playoff
(12-31-2016 10:03 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(12-31-2016 08:49 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(12-30-2016 12:11 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(12-30-2016 11:06 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(12-30-2016 09:59 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  People have been excluded from things by elitists for a very long time. The worst strategy is to just accept the discrimination as your due.

My personal dream is that Alabama beats Ohio State to win the CFP every...single...year. I would love to see a decade of Alabama beating Ohio State to win the CFP. They system is so out of kilter, it theoretically could happen. I hope so.

You are right, no G5 team is getting in. Because it is an unfair system. It is not sports. But we need to keep putting ourselves in position to have the doors slammed in our faces.....perhaps for decades. A few decades of getting doors slammed might change things.....giving up won't.
Is it really an unfair system? Please make the case for any G5 school to be included in a 4 team playoff. Mainly taking into consideration SOS. I'm as big of an App fan as you'll find, but even if we had gone undefeated with W's over Tenn and Miami, our conf schedule still derails the case for us over the others.

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Yes, it is unfair. Here is how.

By having no chance at playoff access or National Championship.....it is better in the minds of some 4-star and 5-star athletes to go sit on a bench at Alabama and pray for playing time than it is for them to stay close to home at App State and play every down.

IF every player knew that he could get to the playoffs at FAU....or Georgia State....or Alabama....by what he and his teammates did on the field no matter what school he chose....then he might choose playing time.

Just that....all by itself.....would create more parity in college football than it has had in decades.

Would the "P5" still have advantages? Of course they would. College football is never, ever, going to be "fair". But just that....would make it POSSIBLE for the status quo to change and for ANY of our programs to be relevant through our own actions.

10 FBS conference champions and 2 or 4 wildcards....seeded by conference power rating or committee....would make this sport a real sport and give every single FBS football player a path to a National Championship. No matter how difficult....the path to the top would be clearly laid out....do this....win a title.

I think college football would grow. I think attendance would grow. I think interest would grow. I think revenue would grow. I think every game would be more meaningful. I think most of the time Alabama and Ohio State would still be King. But it would be great. Every single fan base would still have that defined path to win it all.

Personally, I hope Alabama and Ohio State play every year for the title until it gets so boring that they are forced to change the status quo and become a REAL sport.

Your argument is that we don't DESERVE a spot because we aren't as good. But we aren't as good because we don't have a spot!!!!

You are unemployable because you don't have a job. You can't go to law school because your type have never become lawyers before. You can't use the exercise room because you are fat. You can't have a playoff spot because players who want to go to the playoffs choose other schools. These are rationalizations....not valid reasons.

We aren't as good because we aren't as good, not because we don't have a spot in the playoff. Do you think 4 & 5 star players will begin choosing AR State over traditional P5 powers just because you now have the opportunity at at spot in the playoff? Sorry to bust your bubble, but these big time athletes are not going to flock to Jonesboro just because there is a chance the Red Wolves could make the playoff. The reality is only a small portion of P5 schools have a legit shot at the playoffs anyway. Look at it this way. AR State has the same opportunity as Duke of making the NCAA Tournament and winning the national championship. I don't see you guys slugging it out with the Blue Devils for the best basketball players in the land.

Nobody said anything about "flocking". Please let my actual words stand for themselves.

4 and 5 star players are not going to "flock" to Jonesboro. But some will come rather than sit on the bench at LSU IF they know they have an actual opportunity to reach the playoffs by winning a Sun Belt title. In fact...they might see it as easier to reach the playoffs in the Sun Belt than in the SEC West.

This would increase parity immediately and improve the selection pool for G5 schools. 4 and 5 stars will not "flock", but SOME will choose playing time and an easier path to a playoff appearance. G5 would see MORE 4 and 5 stars staying home.

As for your basketball analogy.....you may not see Arkansas State getting good players, but you do see Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier, Creighton, etc. getting some. Basketball is different of course because of number of players....but again....Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier, Creighton, etc.

All of those are schools that focus solely on basketball anyways so pretty crappy example.
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