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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(05-06-2018 08:50 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  Looking at geography, the SEC borders EVERY state that contains B12 schools. And the B12 is not even contiguous with Iowa (ISU) and West Virginia. So from a geographical perspective, the SEC could assess them all with more confidence in terms of logistical factors.

The BIG, to reach Texas, has to include Kansas and Oklahoma, or jump them. If that happened, the BIG would look tornado-shaped, blowing hard-east. The BIG has been a east-west expansion conference; then it would take a southern drop on the west end if Texas (& co.) were added. Texas would find it hard to bond with the unnatural flow, travel, weather, and non-traditional differences.

The ACC make no sense for Texas; but WVU, absolutely does.

The PAC12 would need a "cluster" from the B12 for practicality purposes. Iowa State is east of Nebraska, and wouldn't fit well even with a cluster. A separated-out Kansas school would be an odd fit as well. UT, TTU, OU, and oSu was the old try; and perhaps some version of it could be pursued again if sentiments and financial incentives drift that way.

I don't know what the SEC will do, if anything, in a few years if the B12 breaks or becomes vulnerable. I do believe a few will indeed leave the B12 around 23/24. The conference has never really been settled-down and content. The year 2023/24 is really not that far off, so those that are prone to explore are already doing so. Within three years, leaks as to anticipated movements, will abound with growing confidence. Does Bowlsby have a strategy to prevent such? The same ole PR line won't work if a couple or so are unhappy and have somewhere else to go that looks like an improvement.

The SEC is positioned best in all this if they play their cards right. If Slive was still around (no slight to Sankey intended--don't know enough about his style), he'd have plan A already set up, and a damn good plan B just in case. He was a very good "expansion" chess player.
I agree with all of the bolded part and in principle on the rest. Normally realignment would be about geography, the appeasement of the alumni consumers and donors, and of course the money.

One could argue that a move to 20 that included Tech, Kansas State and Oklahoma State along with the top 3 would be a strong go toward owning the region and settling things down permanently. But as you have expressed already you doubt that we grow larger without first settling at 16. I agree with the logic of that in a pre streaming world. In a post streaming world being the go to channel for all things important to those states, while also holding top national brands, will be what keeps the subscription money flowing in. Take those 6 and the SEC can let everyone else settle whatever it is they need to do.

Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Texas , Texas A&M, Texas Tech

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee

With those set up in half divisions the WAC rotation works fine for a 9 game schedule. Add 1 permanent rival and we are at 10. That leaves two OOC games to satisfy other contingencies.

From a marketing standpoint that maximizes the West and only leaves Florida at less capacity. But if still bundled with the ACC it doesn't matter.

If the ACC wants a slice of Texas they have Baylor and T.C.U. to accommodate. Add Connecticut, Cincinnati and Houston if they want to go to 20. There's always Tulane if you want to connect the dots to Houston, but they don't bring much to the table.

If we were staying with simply linear networks I would wholeheartedly agree with the best two additions and stopping.

If Missouri has proven anything it's that you can't really incorporate a school adequately unless you permit them to bring a core of a familiar schedule. This ultimately is why adding pairs from Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas would permit their cementing into the conference.

Separate Kansas State, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State out and you get an agitated market where dis-affected alums and irritated state officials can hurt your marketing strategy. Moving forward controlling all of the largest alumni bases in a state will have the important upside of keeping the best advertising rates if the merchandisers want access to your audiences they have to go through you. You aren't leaving a back door in like the Big 10 did by failing to land the Irish.
05-06-2018 09:29 PM
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