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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(03-05-2018 11:46 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 08:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 05:10 PM)XLance Wrote:  Steve Spurrier is known to have said that all three Florida schools belong in the same conference and South Carolina belongs in the ACC.
Working on that premise:
While the ACC office is happy to see Miami football return to prominence there are some that were not happy to see Miami return to Miami form. The "turnover chain" seemed to be the breaking point for some of the old guard.
Here is how the "new" realignment works out to live out Spurrier's suggestion and to accommodate Texas' wishes.

First the ACC cedes Miami to the SEC and trades Florida State to the SEC for South Carolina.
The ACC then sends Boston College and Syracuse to the B1G.
Then we bring in Texas and their entire entourage which would include TCU, Baylor, West Virginia and Texas Tech. To complete expansion to 18 and keep a presence in Florida, the ACC adds UCF and USF.
The 3 pod system sets up like this:
Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, Texas, USF, Louisville
Georgia Tech, UCF, Carolina, Duke, UVa, Virginia Tech
West Virginia, Pitt, Clemson, South Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest

The PAC remains the same at 12

The B1G:
Syracuse, Boston College, Rutgers, Penn State, Maryland, Ohio State
Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern
Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa State

The SEC then becomes:
Miami, Florida State, Florida, Georgia, Auburn, Vanderbilt
Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi State, ole Miss, Arkansas
LSU, A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Kansas State

Notre Dame remains semi-independent with the ACC.

X, this is one of your more creative work arounds and one that I would find acceptable, if South Carolina did. It makes sense geographically, it holds value for both sides, and it restores rivalries in house. And it make sense brand wise for the SEC. KState would be a relatively small price to pay considering.

Interesting what it would do to the Big 10. But it is balanced for them.

The ACC would somewhat overall reduce the geographic spread, even with adding the state of Texas into the mix, by ceding the Northeast to the Big 10. It might make some sense if the ACC concludes that they can't dislodge the Big East from basketball supremacy in the New York area. So they may as well let the Big 10 work in the DC-Boston corridor, picking up a lacrosse and hockey power in the process. Neither Cuse or BC are football powers but located in high population areas, especially Boston. The Northeast might work better with a Midwest-based conference than one centered in VA-NC-SC. Then those two would do similarly to balance out Kansas as Rutgers/Maryland did to balance out Nebraska.

Then in Florida a small private and a large-sized public school are traded in for two larger publics in growing urban centers, the academics overall slightly better with room to improve, with potential to compete fairly well at a higher level.

If the ACC is fine having USF and UCF then who am to I say otherwise?

I found the proposal X made to be intriguing. But after reflecting on it for awhile I have a more profitable tweaking of it.

Why not have the ACC give up 1 Florida school to the SEC, give up Syracuse and Boston College to the Big 10, and concentrate on the money and brand pals of Texas?

Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, & Kansas move to the ACC in full and Notre Dame joins in full.

The SEC picks up either Florida State or Miami and then chooses a second Texas school, T.C.U.. That gives us two schools in Florida and Two in Texas including one in the DFW market where 6 SEC games would be played annually. If the SEC gets Miami we pick up a South Florida brand which we lack. If the SEC picks up Florida State we get another national brand. Either way we gain strength in the two largest states in the South.

The Big 10 makes enough off of Syracuse and Boston College that they don't need further expansion either. Now the SEC and Big 10 are more comfortable in the footprints they had been pursuing but neither gain the largest prizes so neither throws further imbalance into the college sport world.

The PAC remains essentially unchanged in the West.

B1G:

Boston College, Maryland, Penn State, Rutgers
Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, Syracuse
Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State, Northwestern
Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

SEC:

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
Alabama, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
L.S.U., Miami/F.S.U., Mississippi, Mississippi State
Arkansas, Missouri, Texas Tech, T.C.U.

ACC:

Louisville, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech
Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia
Clemson, F.S.U./Miami, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest
Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech

If the PAC wanted in on the CTZ states they could add Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech and Baylor could take Tech's place in the ACC.

Another work around might be for the ACC to keep Miami and add West Virginia then the ACC could look like this:

Louisville, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, West Virginia
Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Clemson, Georgia Tech, N.C. State, Wake Forest
Kansas, Miami, Oklahoma, Texas

That would leave Texas Tech, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, and Baylor for the PAC's perusal for CTZ slots.

This kind of move would leave balance. The PAC is too far away for minor sports for any of the Big 10, SEC, or ACC. The ACC needs to be brought up in power to maintain balance in the East. If they come out of this significantly behind the SEC and Big 10 then it only further destabilizes the college sports world moving forward.

Some kind of expansion like the one conjectured here would give the SEC and Big 10 a stronger presence in markets that each covet, without giving away the farm or promoting lesser brands. And moving the key pieces of the Big 12 to the ACC strengthens their branding and makes capitalizing them understandable. And by keeping it to 16 it is cheaper for the networks, even though the Big 10, SEC, and ACC would all get some kind of raise. I could see the SEC and Big 10 in the mid 50's, but the ACC getting the largest boost into the same range around 50 to 52. The Big 10's would be a slight bump and the SEC's would only be a slight bump after the new T1 contract with CBS or another suitor.
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