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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(02-10-2016 03:30 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(02-09-2016 12:31 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(02-08-2016 12:12 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  It's possible the Big 12 is waiting on potential ACC targets, but if the SEC and Big Ten split the ACC up with 4 or more each then the Big 12 will be limited in its growth opportunities. Mostly because the ACC targets after 8-10 have been taken are pretty paltry. If there were that many great targets then an ACC Network would be a no-brainer. I think the only real shot the Big 12 has is if the other leagues aren't willing to go beyond 16.

My opinion has been that both the ACC and the Big 12 will fail. There are too few good products in the Big 12 and the ACC has a host of issues. I think it would be hard for them to fail at the same time, but that's assuming the Big 12 GOR is much tougher. Obviously, there's debate about that.

My opinion, as according Mr. SEC, was that the SEC will not be the ones to breakup the ACC. That'll be the B1G when they grab four AAU ACC schools citing that the GOR is void due to no ACCN. Now assuming the B1G grabs UVA, UNC, Duke and GT, the only "valuable" schools to other conferences would be FSU, Clemson, VT, Louisville, NC State and Miami. Combine those six with the B12 and you have a good conference. Now, if the SEC takes two of those six, the B12 + ACC leftovers works, but if SEC takes 4, then there's not much for the B12 to add.

That's where I think the SEC might have some room to negotiate with ESPN. Now if ESPN only wants the SEC to expand to 16, then the SEC should get who they want; if it's OU and FSU or VT and NC State. Worse case for the B12 could be the SEC grabbing markets (VT and NC State) and content (FSU and Clemson); of course ESPN wouldn't be totally happy with those payouts if ESPN wants to keep the SEC at or under 16 teams. I could see OU/VT or OU/FSU being the end game to get to 16.

I think you're probably right that the SEC wouldn't break up the ACC. I'm not sure there are very many current ACC schools that would bolt for the B1G though. The B1G's targets are limited and I think the core ACC schools would rather stay in the conference until it's clear that it is doomed.

My question would be what happens if the ACCN is definitely a no-go? Would ESPN then do some damage control and place a few ACC schools in the SEC to maintain the content? Would ESPN rather try to ride it out with the current ACC structure(as most of those schools would probably rather stick together and the only ones not so attached would cost more if they were moved to the SEC)?

I personally love the idea of taking 6 Southern schools from the ACC...

West: Texas A&M, LSU, Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss
South: Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia Tech, Florida State
East: Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Clemson, NC State
North: Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Louisville, Virginia Tech

Play 4 division games, 1 permanent rival from each of the other 3 divisions, 1 rotating match-up from each of the other 3 divisions. That's a total of 10 conference games. 5 home and 5 away. Play everyone at least once every 4 years.

Would ESPN go for that? I'm not sure. There could be an upside to it though that might actually save the networks some money.

The ACC could rebuild and stay together...take Cincinnati and UConn.

Miami, North Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Syracuse, UConn, Boston College, and Notre Dame as an affiliate.

The positive side of this for ESPN is they get a really strong basketball league of schools that would rather associate with one another for a bargain basement price in all likelihood. They could stuff the football schools in another league and maximize the value of the SEC.

No real growth opportunities for the Big 12 here. Perhaps they stay together in the long run or more likely the top brands find new homes. The major programs could all move to the PAC.

Let's say the PAC takes Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, and Iowa State. ESPN could buy up the PAC Networks and make it profitable in the era of streaming by including good brands from the Central Time Zone. Four more schools get dropped though from the status of Power revenue. The PAC's revenue is still split between FOX and ESPN so no one really incurs new costs. ESPN could actually make a little extra from the PACN.

North: Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, California, Stanford
South: UCLA, USC, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Colorado
East: Texas Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State

The B1G stays put because the networks don't really gain anything from pushing content their way. I understand JRs concept of putting basketball brands in the B1G and maximizing that revenue stream, but basketball just doesn't generate the profits that football does, thus the ACC's current woes.

We essentially have a Power 4, but a more cost efficient alignment that doesn't break the bank for any network.

I like the concept. The question is how much would that rebuilt ACC really be worth. The New Big East gets around 11 million per school I think, (better check those numbers). I think that basketball conference might make between that figure and 15 million each. So would they take that kind of hit to stay together? They might, but it would be a tough call for some of those schools.
02-10-2016 08:33 AM
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