(06-25-2020 03:29 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 01:56 PM)texoma Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 02:59 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  The old SWC really should have just stole Oklahoma and Oklahoma State from the Big 8. What really happened is the Big 8 stole from the SWC and they just started a new conference with the same name. The SWC with OU and OSU could have brought back Arkansas who would not be the orphan Annie of the conference anymore.
SWC
NORTH
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Arkansas
TCU
SMU
Texas Tech

SOUTH
Baylor
Texas
Texas A&M
Rice
Houston
Tulane

The remaining Big 8 probably gets taken down like it already did. I could see Iowa State, Kansas, Nebraska, Kansas State, and Missouri going to the Big Ten to form the first 16 team conference

Bad idea all around.

No way would OU and OSU join the SWC. The SWC was dead already. Why do you think Arkansas left.

Texas and A&M were desperate to get away from the private schools. Why do you think they were good to join the Big8.

The private schools were bad. Darrell Royal talked about how the private schools needed to get better or else. I remember an interview with Chuck Curtis the former TCU head football coach saying he thought TCU might have to have to drop football. TCU, SMU, Baylor and Rice were all struggling just to survive. Even Houston shied away from staying with the private schools after the SWC folded.

That's why the SWC didn't make it and the teams joined WAC or CUSA.

Today though its successor the XII is in a different position as a P5 conference with a more northern range that makes Memphis and Cincinnati good additions.

(06-25-2020 04:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 02:33 PM)texoma Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 02:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 01:56 PM)texoma Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 02:59 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  The old SWC really should have just stole Oklahoma and Oklahoma State from the Big 8. What really happened is the Big 8 stole from the SWC and they just started a new conference with the same name. The SWC with OU and OSU could have brought back Arkansas who would not be the orphan Annie of the conference anymore.
SWC
NORTH
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Arkansas
TCU
SMU
Texas Tech

SOUTH
Baylor
Texas
Texas A&M
Rice
Houston
Tulane

The remaining Big 8 probably gets taken down like it already did. I could see Iowa State, Kansas, Nebraska, Kansas State, and Missouri going to the Big Ten to form the first 16 team conference

Bad idea all around.

No way would OU and OSU join the SWC. The SWC was dead already. Why do you think Arkansas left.

Texas and A&M were desperate to get away from the private schools. Why do you think they were good to join the Big8.

The private schools were bad. Darrell Royal talked about how the private schools needed to get better or else. I remember an interview with Chuck Curtis the former TCU head football coach saying he thought TCU might have to have to drop football. TCU, SMU, Baylor and Rice were all struggling just to survive.

Baylor was doing fine at the time.

Baylor was just surviving. The only time in modern football history Baylor had any success was due to the incredible coaching skills of Grant Teaff. What about SMU, TCU and Rice.

The last 17 years in the SWC, Baylor had 2 titles and 12 winning seasons. Their worst season was 4-6-1. Every other year they had at least 5 wins.

That's not just surviving. Oklahoma from 1994-1998 went 5 years without a winning season. That was how many Baylor went over 17 years.

I was going to let this pass since it seems the thread was dyeing, but it has new life.

I previously said, the only time in modern day football that Baylor had any success in the SWC was when Grant Teaff was the Head Coach. Teaff was the coach when they won those two SWC titles. However, he retired prior to the beginning of the Big12.

Having a winning season during the last few years of the SWC was not the major accomplishment that it had been, since the conference was weaker than it was throughout most of its history, especially TCU and Rice plus SMU after the death penalty. Also, Baylor has been notorious for playing weak non-conference teams. If Baylor was so great they would have been included in the original six team Texoma group.

BTW from 1994-1998 OU had three losing seasons and all of those were when John Blake was Head Coach. Personally comparing the Baylor program to the OU football program prior to the formation of the Big12 is quite a stretch IMO... but to each his own.